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From: "David Shimell (shimell)" <shimell@se*.co*>
To: "'Gilldiver@ao*.co*'" <Gilldiver@ao*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: RE: WRECK GEAR
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:28:16 +0100
Pete

Interesting to see your configuration.  On a point, my experience differs
from yours:

>I will never use a back plate and harness, instead I use a plane old DACOR
>hard pack that I can get into and out of by myself in the water. The Tech
>harnesses and back plates are difficult enough to get into on the boat
with
>people helping but it would take 2 -3 divers to get you back into it on the
>bottom.

I regularly remove my backplate and harness on the surface and have no
difficulty whatsoever doing so without assistance.  I have found that I
initially had the harness too tight (for fear of it slopping around and
being too loose).  I adjusted the harness to be "loose" and found that the
unit was totally stable and easy the get on and off.  Far quicker than
people with so-called quick releases.  I have tried drills in the pool to
doff and don the kit underwater and again have no problem.  As an aside, and
as a confession, I once forgot to buckle up the waist strap.  The kit with
twin 12s, two left mounted 10s and a right mounted light was so stable that
it was not until I was into deco that I noticed my error.  Stupid of me but
this only shows how good and stable a Hogarthian configuration is.

David Shimell
Project Manager, Sequent Computer Systems Ltd., Weybridge, UK.
Email: shimell@se*.co*



-----Original Message-----
From:	Gilldiver@ao*.co* [SMTP:Gilldiver@ao*.co*]
Sent:	Wednesday, July 22, 1998 2:50 AM
To:	techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject:	Re: WRECK GEAR

After 20 years of wreck diving in the Northeast here's how my wreck tools
and
gear have developed.

Gear
-Twin geni 100's with manifold or OMS 121 with 30 ft pony

-Wings style BC for all rigs

-2 totally different regulators with different gages so that I know which
tank
I'm on, This is very important when diving the big single, in 20 years I
have
seen too many accidents due to confusion over what tank a diver is on!

- I will never use a back plate and harness, instead I use a plane old DACOR
hard pack that I can get into and out of by myself in the water. The Tech
harnesses and back plates are difficult enough to get into on the boat  with
people helping but it would take 2 -3 divers to get you back into it on the
bottom. The cavers may flame me but I bet they have never been hung up in a
wreck where you may have to take your tanks off to get out.

-Knifes, on a wreck you must expect to encounter mono-filiment  fishing
line.
You will not see it unless it has been down long enough to collect some
scum,
you will not be able to break it with out a knife or cutter. So, put one
knife
on your thigh by using elastic tubing instead of the straps. Place it so
that
you can easily grab it without having to bend. Place the other knife so that
you Other Hand can reach it, such as chest level on your tank harness.
Knifes
on a gage console will work only if the counsels are clipped in front of you
all of the time, you don't want to have to go looking for it when you need
it.
Also, get a good pair of stainless steel shears for use with heavy 100+ lb
mono and wire leaders. The leaders fisherman are using are up to 20' and can
not be cut easily. Fiskars makes a good one for about $8, take the plastic
nut
and bolt out and replace it with a stainless bolt and aircraft type locking
nut.

-Wreck Bag and Tools, keep it simple. I use one of the red bags common in
the
north east the contents are:
Small pry bar, medium screw driver, medium punch, medium cold chisel, pair
of
vise-grips, 2-3 John lines that can also be used for rigging artifacts, set
of
standard Navy tables for back-up, small goodie bag, penetration reel, 50-100
lb lift bag/marker bag,.
My lump hammer or hand sledge has a link of chain welded on the head and is
attached to my weight belt by a large dog chain type clip, with the clip on
the head it is very manageable, do not put a ring on the handle all you will
get is a hurt knee and the hammer head will grab everything on the bottom.
All
tools and clips are sized so that I can work them with cold water mits and
cold hands. Any other tools or large crow bars leave on the boat or home.
Almost all artifacts that I have gotten have either been found on one dive
and
taken a planed dive or two to bring up, were broken off/un-bolted with the
hammer and vise-grips, or were loose on the bottom. The bag weights about 5
lbs total.

I weight my self so that I am neutral WITHOUT THE BAG so that if I loose it
or
have to ditch it I can still make my 20 and 10 foot stops without
difficulty.

I hope that this helps answer you questions and I can't wait to see the
flames
from the religious right of the cavers.

Pete Johnson
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