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Yeah, those goofy WKPP guys, hehehe. They do those lame old 200+min bottom times at 280'. I mean, what do they know, hehehe. Tristan, they use argon and standard wings, they must be nuts, complete idiots. And they must be suicidal, as diving with argon and standard wings is a death sentence. You oughta go down there right now and set 'em straight before someone gets killed. Problem is they are hard to get ahold of, they are either a couple of thousand feet back into a cave or doing body recoverys of stuperwings users. Well, maybe one has an answering machine and you can leave a message. On 7/16/98 6:49 PM Tristan Simonds wrote: >Mike, > >It's good to see someone that is looking at this issue with an objective >point of view. It seems to me that someone must be paying these guys to >slam OMS wings. There are a couple of points that were overlooked. > >1) Counting on your drysuit for secondary boyancy is a problem if your >running argon. There are more points of failure (tank, valve and regulator, >limited supply of gas) > >2) The recent deaths of divers is being connected with these wings but I >have seen no proof that this was the cause. It may be possible that there >are so many more of these wings in the water that the odds of having them on >the back of a victim is that much greater. > >I dive argon with a dry suit and the bondage wings and feel safe and >comfortable. Most of the people I have dove with so far that are using a >wing are using oms wings. I can only think of two that are not and they are >primarily in caves and hope to dive with the WKPP. > >Thanx for the objective opinion, too bad people are not listening. > >Tristan > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mike Zimmerman [mailto:zimmmt@au*.al*.co*] >> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 1:04 PM >> To: Jim Cobb >> Cc: techdiver >> Subject: Re: bondage wing challenge was >> >> >> Jim, >> >> you guys make me laugh. You find it so completely impossible to find >> anything positive about the OMS wings. When you are one SO one-sided >> how can you expect to have any credibility? >> >> I've been focusing on ONE very specific concept. Is having a >> backup bladder more of a plus than it is a minus? And you guys >> keep dodging the question like Custer trying to deny he was losing >> at his last stand. >> >> You insist everyone spend $1500 for a custom DUI drysuit (gotta >> Do It Right >> after all) just so they can dive high capacity tanks, when then >> could spend >> maybe an incremental $100 and purchase OMS dual-bladder wings from >> the get-go and again have the backup buoyancy. No one says you have >> to put the bungees on. >> >> As for the deaths, 2 things. >> >> First the bungees may or may not have had anything to do with them, >> but that has NOTHING to do with the argument of backup buoyancy as >> a plus or not. >> >> Second, we have at least one diver (and I suspect the Doria diver >> would as well) that was wearing a drysuit, what you preach for backup >> buoyancy. Maybe the problems were more in gear configuration >> (ie being so comletely negative) and not in their choice of wings.... >> shall we blame the drysuit instead? >> >> Anyway I'm done. I've chased you over the entire issue, you refuse >> to stand still and give an answer to the question at hand. >> >> In case you've forgotten it, the question is to explain how >> the 2nd bladder adds more failure points than wearing a drysuit. >> >> When you care to stop dodging and to answer, just let me know. >> >> Mike >> -- >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- Learn About Trimix At http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/trimix.html -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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