>
>>Just exactly when did it become your job to decide when we should
"discuss"
>>something, and when we should not.
>
>Stop playing the straw man game. I never said anything about what we could
>discuss here, and I never accused anyone of slamming (to your credit,
>though, you resisted the temptation to call me a bungey-loving stroke).
>
>What I did, is continue to marvel at your ability to post long threads of
>purely speculative adventuring, with no attempt to ground your musings in
>fact, even when the factual information that would make the discussion
>relevent and useful is readily available with a little digging. You seem to
>think that you can find truth purely on a mental level, with no recourse to
>actual facts.


This is only a Steve Lindblom interpretation----and quite useless when
offered up long after the supposed examples.

>
>I think this is a legitimate concern on this list, since this penchant of
>yours is responsible for a lot of lingering misinformation in the
>community.
>>

Steve, I'm sure your far more qualified by experience  to offer up lingering
misinformation than I am :-)



>>Since several people on this list DO dive bungees into extremely cold
>>water---it is in fact a good question to put out
>
>Absolutely. But not the way you do  - by posting speculation and inviting
>others to further speculate based on your ungrounded speculation. That has
>no validity, and no usefulness - it's just a self indugent intellectual
>game. If anything, the opposite, because frequently, when others here play
>your game, after a long thread based on your original conjectures that
>conjecture becomes mistaken for fact. A good example being the WPB debacle,
>where you posted one premature conclusion and uncomfirmed rumor after
>another, until I doubt anyone here has any notion what really happened.

Interesting take, Steve.
Lets go back to this one, since you have "boldly" decided to use an example,
finally.
In the WPB Debacle, I don't seem to remember you out their helping us with
the 17 dives we did at our own expense.
I don't seem to remember you questioning the survivor, Larry Roth, as I did,
on several occasions.
Somehow my memory fails to pull up an image of you speaking with the boat
captain, or any of the other players who were involved in the tragedy.  But
since you are so sure your sources of the "real" facts in this case, are far
better than mine, and since you put in so much time researching and
recreating the tragic event, why don't you explain your "correct" version to
the list, so we can all finally know what in fact, really happened. I'm sure
John Claypool's widow, Marge, would be very happy to finally learn the truth
from you. While your at it, maybe you could illustrate to me how I could
have reported more intelligently, and with better usefulness to the tech
list, and to the family of John Claypool and the student Mike Elkins.




>
>In the case of the bungees, I could understand if you'd just said "I've
>heard that bungees lose their elasticity when cold. Is this true?" That
>would be a useful attempt to gain information and to apply it to the
>discussion at hand. If the answer was convincingly, "they do", then you
>could proceed to consider the implications.
>
>But you didn't. You started with that statement, then, with no attempt to
>examine its validity or invite others to, instead encouraged them to reach
>speculative conclusions based on your original unproven statement. This, at
>best, can only result in the creation of misinformation. And it's not like
>you haven't done this before - you do it all the time.

Steve, this may be the way you read me, but its not the way I expect to be
read---and I really don't believe many others read my posts as you do
either. And here you go again----generalizing about what you "claim"  I do
all the time.....Next time "you think"  I do this, why not call me on it.
If you do, I will explain myself. If all you want to do is claim I create
misinformation, I don't think you can be taken too seriously, if you don't
speak up and say so at the time of the supposed "infraction".


>
>BTW, I hung a weight on a bungee, measured the stretch, then stuck it in
>the freezer overnight (a tad above 0F) and measured it again. No change.
>OK, there's still pressure to consider, but I'll leave that to someone
>else.

Finally, a real contribution in your post!!! Steve, you actually offered the
list something of value!!
Good Job.

Regards,
Dan Volker


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