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At 06:53 PM 26/05/1998 -0700, John Walker wrote:
>Billy , you inbreed SOB. You can't compair me to any other IANTD
>instructor. If so, than we will again have to remind ever one out here
>that some of your good friends are also IANTD instructors.
That might be true. And regardless of what I write here, they will
remain my friends. The difference is I don't see them on here
trying to run interference for those who would shift the blame
from the instructor to the victim.
>And theres not a thing wrong with it.
See above.
>You must be the dumb ass type that thinks
>everybody is ready to learn everything about diving in a one step
>program.
John, you know and I know that there are a lot of students
out there who are not competent enough for the technical
courses they are taking, just as there are now a lot of
technical instructors out there who are not competent to
teach those courses.
And as for IANTD offering too many courses, I stand by what
I said. You soak your students through small incremental
stages. It enables you to recruit or accept them before
they're strictly ready because you have six or seven courses
with which you can bring them up to some level of reasonable
competence. But the downside of that strategy is you'll
always lose a few on the way.
If you adopted standards requiring true competence at each
entry point, you'd need only three steps. Here they are. (And
to quote one of the world's leading authorities, this isn't
rocket science):
1. Nitrox theory
2. Decompression theory and practice
3. Trimix theory and practice
Of course, you've got to start before step 1. with a thoroughly
experienced and competent sport diver. Which reduces the potential
market somewhat. And the diver should be required to spread the
steps out with some solid, varied and staged experience. Which
reduces the short-term revenue potential. But you wouldn't then be
soaking students through six 'one-step-forwards-one-step-sideways'
courses. And you wouldn't have that obligatory attrition rate.
>That type of idiology is what gets people killed not an IANTD
>instructor.
John, look who's killing people.
>My the way, I have nothing to do with retail scuba and am
>not affiliated with ony one dive store. I've got a higher middle class
>income(inwhich florida would call a upper class income)and do not at all
>rely on diving to make money. I teach for the love of the sport as well
>as the desire to share with others what I love to do(DIVE).
> As for discrediting any WKPP members, if you could fucking read I have
>not discredited anyone. I've just questioned some.
I'm sorry. You have trouble writing precisely what you mean.
>I'm just tired of all
>the bashing of both individuals as well as training agencies from some
>of you who are not even teaching the sport.
It seems you are suggesting that only instructors have the right to
comment on the process and its outcomes and customers should keep
quiet. Is this correct? Is this what you mean to say?
> Here we have a person
>complaining about cleaning up IANTD instructors messes and I simply
>stated that he had no obligations to do so.
Now John. You did a bit more than that.
>And as to calling people
>murderers was abunch of B.S. in my opinion also. I fully understand that
>members of the WKPP are fantastic diver/explorers and have as well as
>will continue to bring are sport alot. If anyone should be pissed about
>the events that have been taking place it should be people like me, an
>instructor.
I rather believe it should be people close to the victim. It
should be those people who went out and cleaned up the mess.
And I also think people should be pissed at your stereotypical
"you're not an instructor you're just a customer, so shut the
fuck up" attitude.
> Mr. Boen has written to this group and expressed that he has learned
>alot and I'm sure he's going to continue. But time in the water is going
>to make him excell and you should even know that. His fondness might be
>for his instructor, not IANTD instructors in general. And I believe
>thats what he stated.
> As for Rob Palmer, he was a seasoned diver and your going to say he was
>sucked into a deep air dive by a bunch of dick-heads.
You are being disingenuous. This is what I wrote:
"You must understand that peer pressure puts people into strange
and overpowering situations. No-one is immune. Rob Palmer got
sucked into doing deep air dives with a boatload of dick-head
stroke instructors and died. He's the last person you would
expect to succumb to peer pressure. A student facing a misguided
instructor stands almost no chance at all."
> Come-on Billy, Rob must have known the risks.
> And probably accepted them.
Tell his wife that.
>Besides he was not a IANTD instructor anyhow.
That makes everything OK then?
>Keep reaching Billy! But if you were to
>look at the list of names who are IANTD instructors you would see that
>alot of these names are well known in the industry as well as people who
>are looked up too in diving.
Yes, there aren't that many good agencies to choose
from, are there?
> I would imagine that their are alot of people on this list who are
>tired of this topic. So what do you say we take it off of techdiver
>mailing list?
Well John, I can see why you hope this whole thing will go
quietly away. But I'd like to keep it above board and out in
the open. Now would you mind answering two questions...
1. What's your honest opinion of IANTD's bottle marking standards?
2. During a course, do you think a trimix instructor should observe
each of his/her student's gas switches?
You'll find simple yes or no answers will be less likely to be
misinterpreted.
rgrds billyw
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