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Actually Johnny boy, I think you've got the wrong target in your sites. I actually have the pleasure to know Billy, and have been on one or two dives with him, and I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone more open to learning. He just doesn't have it to do it all through multiple courses, rather in a handful of well-structured, well-taught courses, combined with personal learning and research, and **experience**. Billy not long ago embarked on cave training. Not because he gave a rats arse about diving in dark holes (at least not before the course) but because he wanted to be a better diver. He has thought through his diving, has done a lot of private research and learning, and has undertook a small number of appropriate courses. He didn't learn the English language one letter at a time (though looking at your post, perhaps you might have). Similarly he doesn't have to learn about diving in a course structure thats broken down too much (at least for him). I teach with a non-IANTD (non-TDI) tech agency, and I like the simple, but comprehensive course structure, so please don't go rubbishing other "idiologies" (to use your spelling). Yours works for you, others work for other people. BTW, Rob Palmer might not have been an IANTD instructor, but I think he was at least an instructor trainer. Perhaps not before his death, but prior to going over to TDI. As a reader of this list, I (for one) am not sick of people pointing out the idiotic attitudes that we need to clean up in this sport of ours. Keep questioning, but don't get so offended when others question you. Safe diving Des Paroz paroz@oz*.co*.au* -----Original Message----- From: John Walker <techdive@ea*.ne*> To: bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Date: Wednesday, 27 May 1998 15:16 Subject: Re: Instructors for "tech" agencies >Billy , you inbreed SOB. You can't compair me to any other IANTD >instructor. If so, than we will again have to remind ever one out here >that some of your good friends are also IANTD instructors. And theres >not a thing wrong with it. You must be the dumb ass type that thinks >everybody is ready to learn everything about diving in a one step >program. That type of idiology is what gets people killed not an IANTD >instructor. My the way, I have nothing to do with retail scuba and am >not affiliated with ony one dive store. I've got a higher middle class >income(inwhich florida would call a upper class income)and do not at all >rely on diving to make money. I teach for the love of the sport as well >as the desire to share with others what I love to do(DIVE). > As for discrediting any WKPP members, if you could fucking read I have >not discredited anyone. I've just questioned some. I'm just tired of all >the bashing of both individuals as well as training agencies from some >of you who are not even teaching the sport. Here we have a person >complaining about cleaning up IANTD instructors messes and I simply >stated that he had no obligations to do so. And as to calling people >murderers was abunch of B.S. in my opinion also. I fully understand that >members of the WKPP are fantastic diver/explorers and have as well as >will continue to bring are sport alot. If anyone should be pissed about >the events that have been taking place it should be people like me, an >instructor. > Mr. Boen has written to this group and expressed that he has learned >alot and I'm sure he's going to continue. But time in the water is going >to make him excell and you should even know that. His fondness might be >for his instructor, not IANTD instructors in general. And I believe >thats what he stated. > As for Rob Palmer, he was a seasoned diver and your going to say he was >sucked into a deep air dive by a bunch of dick-heads. Come-on Billy, Rob >must have known the risks. And probably accepted them. Besides he was >not a IANTD instructor anyhow. Keep reaching Billy! But if you were to >look at the list of names who are IANTD instructors you would see that >alot of these names are well known in the industry as well as people who >are looked up too in diving. > I would imagine that their are alot of people on this list who are >tired of this topic. So what do you say we take it off of techdiver >mailing list? > > John >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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