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Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:03:24 +0900 (JST)
From: Andrew Drapp <andrew@ce*.co*.jp*>
To: "susan m. innes" <premier@ma*.ac*.ne*>
cc: cavers@ca*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: student responsibility

On Thu, 14 May 1998, susan m. innes wrote:

> Students of trimix classes have very few sources to make themselves
> knowledgeable of all the dangers out there and what is safe and unsafe.  For
> ex. IF ( a big if) a student was on techdiver or cavers the many opposing
> opinions posted would certainly confuse him or her.  The vast majority do
> not even know the newsgroups exist prior to being involved. 
> 
> This post could go on and on listing reasons it is absurd to require your
> students to know what is safe and unsafe diving and training before they
> even take the class. If you are taking a chemistry class in college and the
> professor says mix y and z and you blow up;  are you at fault for not
> knowing chemistry BEFORE you've even taken the class?

1.  I think you misunderstand the main point.  I don't think anyone is
suggesting that students should be _required_ to know that an instructor
is safe or not, and furthermore noone is suggesting that students should
have the _liability_ for choosing a poor instructor.  What people are
suggesting is that students morally have an obligation to check out their
instructor first.  This moral obligation in no way translates to a leagal
one.  

2.  I think it is reasonable to expect a student to know basic safe
practices or not when signing up for a trimix course.  They should already
have a lot of experience and should already be comfortable in the water
diving doubles and deco diving.  Idealy speaking, at the basic level,
moving up to trimix should be nothing more than learning some new theory.
The skills should already be there.  Of course, practicaly speaking, this
is rarely the case.  But, as a mater of point, I was/am one of the
students you referred to above.  I am not yet trimix certified.  A couple
of months ago, I was signed up for a trimix course.  After meeting with
the instructor and discussing his philosophies and views, I droped out of
the course.  From what I had learned here, elsewhere, and just common
sense, I knew that he was an unsafe instructor.  It is possible, and it
should be encouraged for students to question their instructors.  

Regards,

Andrew Drapp


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