> Whoa, where have I ever stated or implied that carbs should be less than
> 10%. Do you actually read what I post?
> 
> I did state for those wanting to lose weight that the power protein plan did
> the first week with only 10% carbs( as I 'm not trying to lose weight this
> is not what Patti and I do but we are losing inches in the right places)
> Note in the following weeks they have you increase the carbs

I'm sorry. You posted 15-20g carbohydrate intake a day, which once
again you say is 10%. I say 10% is unhealthy. So is it healthy or
unhealthy? Now you say you personally didn't do it because you're not 
trying to lose weight, just inches. However, what are the people 
trying to lose weight supposed to do?

> As I have stated about three times I do not know what the Atkins diet
> requires. I think it is strictly a weight loss diet, which is not my
> interest?

From what you've mentioned of the Protein Power plan, Atkins is 
exactly the same.

> I will challenge you to drop your protein from the 40% you stated to 20% and
> replace it with strictly carbs and keep your same level of activity and bet
> you a steak dinner your waist measurement will go up.

That would throw me out of my balanced diet. I've been saying all 
along that a well balanced diet coupled with exercise is the best way 
to lose weight (best meaning for your body, long term to keeping it 
off, etc, etc etc).

> Also the boooks I recommend list a whole series of articles and papers so
> why should I just duplicate that.

You asked me to produce studies, I produced them. I asked you to 
produce studies and you're telling me to go buy a book. That doesn't 
sound fair to me, but maybe I'm missing something.

Yes, I do read what you say. I don't really have time for this 
anymore right now, so I'm just leaving it where it is. 

I strongly suggest anyone who's severly overweight (i.e. in the "HFS" 
category) that you seek a qualified nutritionist, get a physical and 
get on a training program/diet.  I don't recommend anyone who's an 
"HFS" go on any "fad diets" (and there are a ton of them).

Ken

> 
> 
> From: Ken Sallot <ken@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*>
> To: Ken Sallot <ken@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*>; Tom Mount
> <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
> Cc: cavers@ww*.ge*.co* <cavers@ww*.ge*.co*>; techdiver@aquanaut.com
> <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Date: Friday, April 10, 1998 3:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Fridays quote (4/10/98)
> 
> 
> Tom,
> 
> I think your protein power diet falls under the "excessively high
> category". If it works for you, great, but I don't see it as a safe
> healthy balanced diet. Any diet that forces your body to maintain a
> state of ketosis is bad. This amount of protein needed will vary from
> one person to another, but can readily be measured by the use of
> "ketostix".
> 
> There's your answer.
> 
> You originally asked me to cite one source to prove that excessive
> protein is bad. I've cited five to date.
> 
> I asked you to cite clinical sources for the "excessive carbohydrate
> even when exercising like a maniac causing weight gain" comment you
> made, you cited "personal experience".
> 
> I asked you to cite clinical sources for the "blood levels normal"
> from eating high protein diets, and you quote the p.r. section of the
> diet book "protein power" (tell me, do they talk about the kidney
> problems of being on this diet in that book as well?).
> 
> I have answered your questions, you haven't answered a single
> one of mine.
> 
> For the record, I'm not against protein, I think it's an important
> part of a well balanced diet. However, I do not believe that protein
> based ketogenic diets (such as Atkins and "Protein Power", which
> limit your carbohydrate intake to less then 10%) are safe. I have
> stated this position all along and I still stand behind it.
> 
> If a person is trying to loose weight and stay in shape they should
> exercise regularly and eat a well balanced diet.
> 
> Have a great easter,
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
> > From:          "Tom Mount" <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
> > To:            "Ken Sallot" <ken@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*>
> > Cc:            <cavers@ww*.ge*.co*>,
> >                <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > Subject:       Re: Fridays quote (4/10/98)
> > Date:          Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:15:10 -0400
> 
> > Ken
> > I simply do not care any more one way or the other. To date you have not
> > even responded to my question about What do you consider to be hi protein?
> > I'm trying to get three new workbooks and one new text published and i
> find
> > myself being negligent in them in order to get in a pissing contest naming
> > papers.
> >
> > You guys continue, I will do the diet that works for me and hopefully each
> > one who is concerned will seek a system that works for them
> > out of here
> > tom
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ken Sallot <ken@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*>
> > To: Ken Sallot <ken@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*>; Tom Mount
> > <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
> > Cc: cavers@ww*.ge*.co* <cavers@ww*.ge*.co*>; techdiver@aquanaut.com
> > <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > Date: Friday, April 10, 1998 12:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: Fridays quote (4/10/98)
> >
> >
> > Tom,
> >
> > Were these studies sent to other medical journals, besides a book,
> > for peer review of other nutritionists? I thought we originally
> > agreed not to include the literature found in books like "Atkins",
> > "Protein Power" and "the Zone" (I'm also keeping out literature found
> > in other books advocating vegetarian, or high carbo diets).
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > > From:          "Tom Mount" <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
> > > To:            "Ken Sallot" <ken@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*>
> > > Cc:            <cavers@ww*.ge*.co*>,
> > >                <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > > Subject:       Re: Fridays quote (4/10/98)
> > > Date:          Fri, 10 Apr 1998 13:50:37 -0400
> >
> > > ken
> > > refer TOT HE BOOK the POWER PROTEIN PLAN BY DRS. EADES, IT IS FULL OF
> > > REFERENCES AND EXAMPLES IN THEIR PRIVATE PRACTICE TREATING OBESITY, HBO,
> > > DIABETES ETC
> > > IT SHOULD MORE THAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS
> > > They have a newsletter also
> > > contact is
> > > Drs. Eades
> > > Colorado Center for Metabolic Medicine
> > > 7490 Clubhouse Rd. Suite 103-t
> > > Boulder Co. 80301
> > > TOM
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ken Sallot <ken@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*>
> > > To: tom.mount@wo*.at*.ne* <tom.mount@wo*.at*.ne*>
> > > Cc: cavers@ww*.ge*.co* <cavers@ww*.ge*.co*>; techdiver@aquanaut.com
> > > <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > > Date: Friday, April 10, 1998 8:03 AM
> > > Subject: Fridays quote (4/10/98)
> > >
> > >
> > > article "Diet and Disease", magazine Food Monitor, May-June 1983, p.
> > > 24, Campbell, T.C.
> > >
> > > "A strong correlation between dietary protein intake and cancer of
> > > the breast, prostate, pancreas and colon".
> > >
> > > Where's your study documenting high protein diets dropping sugar
> > > levels, blood pressure, etc?
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
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