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"Dan Volker" <dlv@ga*.ne*> wrote: Dan, first, it's william, not walt. second, i'm not going to play the "you're an idiot" game... if you want to prove who's more juvenile, i'll concede..you win. if you want to discuss this WITHOUT the posturing, i'm there. >I would not argue that a vegetarian diet can be healthier for a "sick" >person--one with heart disease or other ailment, than a meat eating diet. > > I am talking about eating to become an elite level athlete---which is what >a tech diver should strive to be--- and a meat eating diet is necessary >for the recovery demands of intense physical training. Anyone who really >wants to get in shape badly, who has no current medical problem, might as >well train hard and attain their goals in the most efficient manner >possible. This means an optimal diet. If your not sick already, you should >get on an optimal diet.. That means you can not be a strict vegetarian. > there are plenty of world class athletes who are vegetarian or near vegetarian. are they the MAJORITY?..clearly no. but that doesn't PROVE anything one way or the other other than that it's a widely held BELIEF that athletes "need" animal protein. also, meat eating is a deeply ingrained part of the culture and athletes and their trainers are not immune to this influence. i've seen lots of nutritional counselours say that they would recommend a near vegetarian diet except that their clients "wouldn't stick to it" this is a comment on society and huma behaviour...not on the science. eat what you like. but there's no proof that an animal protein diet is BETTER for you whether your goal is to avoid heart disease or to acheive maximum fitness. >I bet there is an amazingly high correlation between becoming a vegan and >becoming gay---are you light on your feet ??? i'm VERY light on my feet...that's because i don't eat all the fat, hormones, antibiotics and other crap that comes in a meat eating diet. as far as being gay...ask me again when you get out of high school. does calling me gay (not that there's anything wrong with that <g>) prove your argument? very clever. >Also, I'd say there is an extremely large number of strict vegetarians, who >are so unbalanced in their nutrition, that they stink. That's right, plenty >of these vegans stink. Not ALL of them, but enough for it to reflect on the >diet. and meat eaters don't smell? what kind of nonsense is this? all people smell. civilised people bathe. >>i'd LOVE to see the double blind, placebo contrlled study that shows your >>genius that animal protein is in ANY way healthier than plant protein for >>human nutrition. > >Obviously you're a moron. How many world class athletes do you think you >can convince to destroy their elite level performance, by the inferior >nutrition of a vegetarian diet. again..how many one can CONVINCE only speaks to the closed mindedness, or perhaps superstition, of the athletes in question AND their trainers. it says nothing about what's really more effective or NECESSARY. >The facts are Terry has created custom diets and training plans for world >famous athletes, for 20 years. >His people win, because of his diets and training Gary Null can say the same thing, as well as helping people with serious, often near-fatal, illnesses. and he counsels a vegetarian or near-so diet. he also eliminates all pesticides, refined foods and other things which it SHOULD seem obvious to anyone with a brain are unhealthy things to eat. how many of your "highly trained" athletes still eat white sugar and poison-sprayed fruit and vegetables from the supermarket? it strikes ME that it's almost a George Irvine-like argument. if you're not going to do it REALLY right then don't do it at all. i CARE about what goes into my body. you apparently do too...although we reach different conclusions. at least you THINK about it...that's more than most people seem to do. ---while I still do not >know what kind of diet he will put the 300 pound divers on, I have seen the >diets he puts professional bodybuilders and cyclists on----and he will not >even train a bodybuilder that wants to be a vegan, because the person will >suffer too much liability from the diet, to make it worthwhile to train >them. >The vegetarian nutritional gurus can talk big about how great their protein >quality is, with their little ordered mixing to achieve amino acid >balance--- no body has recommended 'protein combining" for MANY years, but don't let that stop you. >If you are so sick you need a vegan diet, you shouldn't be tech >or deep cave diving until you get healthy again anyway. if you eat a meat-based diet you WILL be sick eventually. if you're tech diving without an open mind about these antiquated "rules" about sports nutrition, perhaps you aren't skeptical and inquisitive enough to do it safely. anyway..i DON'T like these needlessly bitter arguments. let's agree to disagree best, w -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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