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Robert- Now I've seen everything. Stuperwings are good, drysuits are bad. Christalmighty the Navy has really lowered it's standards, lately. But I guess with an dick-head (and I don't mean that figuratively) like Clinton as the CIC, what the hell do I expect. I don't know what kind of water you dive in or how long your hangs are but if you are serious about deco you wear a drysuit. Period. And if you don't think that a drysuit can act as buoyancy then you are talking out of your ass. A drysuit is a much of a part of a deco divers kit as tanks and fins. And the difference in task loading with a DS vs Stuperwings. You are constantly using your drysuit inflate/deflate systems, it becomes automatic. How often do you use that 2nd hose and inflator (which you have so conveniently stashed out of the way) Only when it fucks up. A case in point. When I had my stuperwings I was on a dive doing some lobstering. The inflator was conveniently "clipped out of the way". As I started my way back up the anchor line I drained the air out of my wings from the main bladder. When I hit my 20' stop I was seriously bouyent, I could not figure it out, I was squeezing the valve and not a bubble of air was coming out of the hose. I was heading up the granny line and I started to rocket towards the surface, I fought my way back to the anchor line and had to hold myself at the stop. When I finally got back to the boat I discovered that the goddamn second bladder had air in it. How? fuck if I know, the only thing I could figure is that the 2nd inflator somehow got depressed while I was pressed between the steel plates of the wreck. Forunatly I was freezeing my ass off in my wetsuit so I was not deep into deco and did not get bent. Scared the hell out of me, though. So after that I did not plug in the 2nd lp hose. The lp hose started to flap around so I removed it completely, rationalizing that I could use it orally or move the primary inflator to the 2nd. It did not take much thinking to realize this was an excersize in futility and the lightbulb came on as to just how stupid stuperwings are. So I blanked off the second wing and removed the hose entirely. Then I started to read Techdiver and found out that I was not the only moron stupid enough to purchase these wings. You know what would have been stupider? Not admtting this fact and keeping the wings. Getting the standard wings was the first step in de-stroking my equipment and I have not looked back since. But, Robert, I might be full of shit, too, so how many other deco divers out there have given up your nasty, old drysuits for a nice, wonderful set of OMS stuperbondage wings? (Oh, no will my SMTP server handle the crush of email...) Jim (ahhhh, it's good to be flaming again. Thanks, Robert) On 3/12/98 1:12 PM Robert.Lockard@nc*.na*.mi* wrote: > > > >______________________________ Reply Separator >_________________________________ >Subject: Stuperwings >Author: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*> at Internet >Date: 3/12/98 9:15 AM > > >>Look, you knuckleheads who defend your stuperwings to the death, nobody >>really cares what kind of useless equipment you guys care to torture >>yourselves with. > >You are still trying to get on my good side. But not my type, I prefer >Catholic girls. > >>But just as sure as the sun rising in the east, once every couple of >>months or so you guys start feeling insecure about your dumb purchase >>and have to do a "what do you all think about stuperwings" post. > >Never felt insecure about them. > >>I wonder why this is? I mean if stuperwings are Gods Gift to Technical >>Diving, they should stand on their own merits. But, no, you stuperwing >>bondage dudes occationally look at your wild, convoluted mass of hoses, >>tubeing, valves and other crap and start to have a creeping doubt that >>maybe, just maybe, you got taked to the cleaners at the local dive >>shop. > >No, did not get taken to the cleaners. > >>Well, as my Dad is fond of saying, "you pays yer money and you makes >>yer choice". So you bondage morons made your choice now shut the hell >>up. Standard wings are one of those rare inventions which are perfect >>in their execution. They cannot be improved upon beyond construction >>details. To double them up and wrap them in tubing took a perfectly >>good product and fucked it all up. > >I did not start this conversation. Only my 2 cents. Your dad is a >smart man. My choice, agreed. And > >>Stupid purchases like stuperwings are not always quantifiable in terms of >>life or death. The diving experience is greatly enhanced by the fact that >>you don't have to fuck with a 2nd hose and inflator, you don't have to >>struggle to keep your balance and you don't have to burn as much air when >>you use standard wings. > >I consider dry suits added task loading. I don't have any problems with >balance or trim. That 2nd hose is clipped out of the way and in easy >reach at all times. Dove<sp> a set of DiveRite Original wings, loved >them, perhaps I will use them when diving dry. However; not getting rid >of Superwings. > >>I experience this every stinking dive since I got rid of mine. If you >>morons can't get that through your thick, dualbladder encased skulls, >>fine, I don't give a shit. Just dive your stuperwings and quit whining >>about them. > >I don't ever think you have heard me whining. And yes, I do have a thick >skull, I have to be convinced, not beaten into submission. You will only >find my skull getting thicker when you start pounding on it. > >Robert Lockard > > Jim > > >On 3/11/98 10:54 PM Thomas A. Easop wrote: > >>Jim Cobb wrote: >> >>> >When was the last time you orally inflated anything on a tech dive??? >>> >>> What kind of stupid question is that? You are saying that all manual >>> inflators should be removed from all BCs becauses YOU have never used >>> one? Say, you don't have a bucket on your head, do you? >> >>No bucket here, in fact, I learned to dive a long time ago, when there >>were no >>autoinflators. Everything was manual, I did plenty of manual inflation, and >>auto inflators were considered uneeded and 'tekkie'. Today they are SOP. >>And I >>didn't say anyone had to do anything, or remove anything. I just asked a >>pretty >>simple and intelligent question. You said "in my experience" so I asked >>for you >>to explain your experience. But I guess the 'experience' you are refering >>to is >>your conjecture. >> >>> >I would like to hear of your personal CF experience where the 2nd inflator >>> >contributed to the task load. >>> >>> OK, it was a dark and story night... Listen, numbnuts, remember that >>> first time you tried to take off your girlfriends bra (assuming you're >>> not a homo), didn't it piss you off when you discovered that there was >>> not 1, not 2, but 3 or even more clips back there? Why were there so many >>> clips, because 1 could not do the job? No, because the No.1 fear of >>> adolescent girls is that a single clip might fail and the goodies will >>> fall out for every to see. So the bra manufacturers outdid themselves by >>> adding multiple clips to satisfy the "1 clip theory" girlish paranoia. >> >>My first girlfriend did not have any of this paranoia, had the front clip >>type >>bra, and took it off when I politely asked her to so I never did have to >>struggle like your 'experience'. >> >>> Thusly, OMS stuper bondage wings are the training bra of the Tech diver >>> industry. Easop, one day you too will graduate to a "1 clip" once you >>> overcome your adolescent, irrational fear of the unknown. >> >>This irrational fear of the unkown is foriegn to me. I have seen with my own >>eyes inflators and bladders fail on dives. And I have never had the bungees >>force air out of my wings or been entangled by my backup inflator even >>when it >>was not elegantly configured out of the way. Also I have used my drysuit as >>backup BC on tech dives and I do not trust the neck seal, and it is very >>uncomfortable, my rate minute volume went way up. >> >>Most of all, I have only heard conjecture about how bondage double bladder >>wings are dangerous. No one has posted substantiated accounts of them causing >>incidents or deaths, which brings us back to the origianl posts. Trusting the >>cave diving elite in Florida with their propensity for exageration and making >>unsubstantiated claims is impossible. Put up or shut up. Where are the >>accounts >>of these wings causing deaths? >> >>Tom >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Learn About Trimix At http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/trimix.html > > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > ------------------------------------------------------------------- Learn About Trimix At http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/trimix.html -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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