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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:16:00 -0500
From: "Thomas A. Easop" <tae@pe*.ne*>
Organization: EPI
To: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Stuperwings
Hey Cobb:

I'm on my third set, and I'm not whinning. Somebody asked you single bladder I
can
use my drysuit or a lift bag for everything under the sun boys to simply state
what the real danger is and the accounts of the bone piles they caused. Thats
the
discussion we get, not the DEATH ACCOUNTS. WHERE ARE THEY????

Jim Cobb wrote:

> Look, you knuckleheads who defend your stuperwings to the death, nobody
> really cares what kind of useless equipment you guys care to torture
> yourselves with.
>
> But just as sure as the sun rising in the east, once every couple of
> months or so you guys start feeling insecure about your dumb purchase and
> have to do a "what do you all think about stuperwings" post.
>
> I wonder why this is? I mean if stuperwings are Gods Gift to Technical
> Diving, they should stand on their own merits. But, no, you stuperwing
> bondage dudes occationally look at your wild, convoluted mass of hoses,
> tubeing, valves and other crap and start to have a creeping doubt that
> maybe, just maybe, you got taked to the cleaners at the local dive shop.
>
> Well, as my Dad is fond of saying, "you pays yer money and you makes yer
> choice". So you bondage morons made your choice now shut the hell up.
> Standard wings are one of those rare inventions which are perfect in
> their execution. They cannot be improved upon beyond construction
> details. To double them up and wrap them in tubing took a perfectly good
> product and fucked it all up.
>
> Stupid purchases like stuperwings are not always quantifiable in terms of
> life or death. The diving experience is greatly enhanced by the fact that
> you don't have to fuck with a 2nd hose and inflator, you don't have to
> struggle to keep your balance and you don't have to burn as much air when
> you use standard wings.
>
> I experience this every stinking dive since I got rid of mine. If you
> morons can't get that through your thick, dualbladder encased skulls,
> fine, I don't give a shit. Just dive your stuperwings and quit whining
> about them.
>
>    Jim
>
> On 3/11/98 10:54 PM Thomas A. Easop wrote:
>
> >Jim Cobb wrote:
> >
> >> >When was the last time you orally inflated anything on a tech dive???
> >>
> >> What kind of stupid question is that? You are saying that all manual
> >> inflators should be removed from all BCs becauses YOU have never used
> >> one? Say, you don't have a bucket on your head, do you?
> >
> >No bucket here, in fact, I learned to dive a long time ago, when there
> >were no
> >autoinflators. Everything was manual, I did plenty of manual inflation, and
> >auto inflators were considered uneeded and 'tekkie'. Today they are SOP.
> >And I
> >didn't say anyone had to do anything, or remove anything. I just asked a
> >pretty
> >simple and intelligent question. You said "in my experience" so I asked
> >for you
> >to explain your experience. But I guess the 'experience' you are refering
> >to is
> >your conjecture.
> >
> >> >I would like to hear of your personal CF experience where the 2nd inflator
> >> >contributed to the task load.
> >>
> >> OK, it was a dark and story night... Listen, numbnuts, remember that
> >> first time you tried to take off your girlfriends bra (assuming you're
> >> not a homo), didn't it piss you off when you discovered that there was
> >> not 1, not 2, but 3 or even more clips back there? Why were there so many
> >> clips, because 1 could not do the job? No, because the No.1 fear of
> >> adolescent girls is that a single clip might fail and the goodies will
> >> fall out for every to see. So the bra manufacturers outdid themselves by
> >> adding multiple clips to satisfy the "1 clip theory" girlish paranoia.
> >
> >My first girlfriend did not have any of this paranoia, had the front clip
> >type
> >bra, and took it off when I politely asked her to so I never did have to
> >struggle like your 'experience'.
> >
> >> Thusly,  OMS stuper bondage wings are the training bra of the Tech diver
> >> industry. Easop, one day you too will graduate to a "1 clip" once you
> >> overcome your adolescent, irrational fear of the unknown.
> >
> >This irrational fear of the unkown is foriegn to me. I have seen with my own
> >eyes inflators and bladders fail on dives. And I have never had the bungees
> >force air out of my wings or been entangled by my backup inflator even
> >when it
> >was not elegantly configured out of the way. Also I have used my drysuit as
> >backup BC on tech dives and I do not trust the neck seal, and it is very
> >uncomfortable, my rate minute volume went way up.
> >
> >Most of all, I have only heard conjecture about how bondage double bladder
> >wings are dangerous. No one has posted substantiated accounts of them causing
> >incidents or deaths, which brings us back to the origianl posts. Trusting the
> >cave diving elite in Florida with their propensity for exageration and making
> >unsubstantiated claims is impossible. Put up or shut up. Where are the
> >accounts
> >of these wings causing deaths?
> >
> >Tom
> >
> >
>
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