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From: "Dan Volker" <dlv@ga*.ne*>
To: "Jammer Six" <jammer@oz*.ne*>, "Tech List" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: Tragic technicaldiving
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:49:48 -0500





>> Steve.
>>Fact. All the better boats in South florida, are picky abour WHO they take
>>on deeper dives. This means the captains WILL decide who they think is
>>likely to be safe, and who they think will be too risky to take.  It does
>>NOT matter whether you like this or not, this is the way it is happening
>>right now.
>
>Dan, this isn't a problem. It's an opportunity.
>
>Furthermore, if the demand is there, these "captains" will soon be on the
>beach.
>

Jammer,
I see no one else stepping up to the plate.


>>And we have some of the best deep dives in the world. Period.
>
>Yes. But only some of them. Period.

Try our North Palm Beach deep dives....until you do, anything I say will
sound like hype.

>
>>Some of the boats are more picky than others, in that to deep dive, they
>>have to actually know you, and really know what you are likely to do. And
>>many of these best boats, have begun taking out less and less deep trips,
>>leaving only a very few really good boats left. This is because of diver
>>deaths. This is because of the lack of reasonable tech standards. This is
>>because of poor tech divers. This is ruining our ability to be able to
find
>>a boat that will take us to the site we want to dive.
>
>Yup. A BIG opportunity.

Jammer,
Getting new boats into this area, with tech diving as their "staple" is
unlikely. Its not a big enough market. And the normal boats who have
"dabbled" in this, are getting very powerful inducements to avoid it.   So
it will not be an opportunity for anyone. Its more like the "tolling" of a
bell.

>
>>If someone is too damn fat and lazy to train to become fit, I'll suggest
to
>>all boat captains, that these guys should be left at the dock. They are
too
>>big a risk for the rest of us, who were willing to put the time in to
become
>>tech divers.  I'll say this again. No one "has" to be fat and lazy. If you
>>are, you have the "Right" to go bowling. You have the "right" to eat till
>>you are full, make your self vomit, and then stuff your fat gut again. You
>>have the "right " to hang  Gilliam's poster  over your couch, and toast
him
>>over half a dozen 6 packs with your fat friends. You don't have the
"right"
>>to ruin our chances to dive where we want to dive.
>
>Nothing Gilliam does will ever ruin any of your rights.

Many on this list will disagree with you here. He is too bad of an example,
and he will contribute to too many accidents with his deep air
certifications and world record holder behaviors.

>
>These aren't rights, we've been through this before. I thought you got
>it, but maybe not.

What, are you saying these fat guys don't have the right to hang Gilliam
posters over their couch???  :)


>
>Tell you what, if you really can't find a boat down there that does what
>you want done, let me know, and I personally will see to it that you are
>provided with the kind of service that you want, provided in the way you
>want it provided.

Like I said, no one could afford to do only tech---it could only be a
sideline. If you want to get a boat into Palm Beach, and start running the
deep ledge, we'll start booking you next week.

>
>>Even if you are an obese slob, someone out there is family to you, and its
>>wrong for you to inflict  emotional injury on them, with your  untimely
>>demise. Some may even be counting on you for their future, and your
>>irresponsible entrance into a sport you are unfit for, that will place you
>>at exponentially more risk than it will a highly fit diver, is just plain
>>wrong. Do you have "the right" to destroy your family???Do you have the
>>"right" to make your wife a widow and your kids fatherless??? Stop being
so
>>damn self absorbed, and start a fitness program today, one that will give
>>you a shot at safe tech divng in the future, as well as a shot at making
60
>>without needing a triple by-pass operation.
>
>I would venture that very few bypass operations are elective, as you seem
>to imply.
>

Maybe true for people in their 70's now, but people in their 30's, and 40's
will have their lifestyle and diets as powerfully contributing
factors---very close to the level of making the by-pass surgeries problems
they caused themselvs by their own neglect.


>You're throwing that word "right" around again, and demonstrating that
>you don't understand what it means, before someone points out that you
>don't have the right to judge anybody.

Sorry, we all judge people--we do it every day of ourt lives. You could not
exist without judging and comparing. And we should all know what right and
wrong is.  Many don't.  I think you are having a problem with this
distinction. I'm not talking about "legal" rights. I'm talking about "real"
rights..... separate from any constitution....this is as different as a
"legal" verdict, and "Justice"--two entirely separate issues.   My use of
the word "right",  is more similar to concepts such as,  what "ought" to be.
Regards,
Dan
>
>
>------------
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>want to live forever?"
>     -First Sergeant Dan Daly, 1918
>------------
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