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From: "Dan Volker" <dlv@ga*.ne*>
To: "Jammer Six" <jammer@oz*.ne*>, "techdiver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: Tragic technicaldiving
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 23:40:22 -0500
 Jammer,
For someone who claims to have gone to college, you don't read very well.
I at NO TIME was talking about changing laws. I do NOT want any new laws
passed.  I do NOT want to force anybody to tech dive like WKPP does, or
anyone else. I have made this Crystal Clear to everyone but you.
I want at least one or two really high end agencies, with stricter
guidelines.  I was hoping that IANTD would step up to the plate, and make
some innovations in diver fitness standards, and it looks like they are
interested in doing this. I think that's great.  I have no idea how this can
possibly offend you so much....Are you so hopelessly out of shape that the
idea of fitness testing new students scares you? Are you so uncoordinated
that the idea of having to pass tougher skills tests makes you nervous?
Don't worry,  the lamest of the lame is still  teaching deep air, and you
can still  smoke pot and drink beer  in front of your Gilliam poster, and
rejoice in a world without regulated tech diving. At least I will do nothing
to create regulation---if anything, my efforts will help prevent it.
Let me say this again, at the risk of tiring your lips with all this
reading.....I do not want to have any legislation of diving occur. I do not
want the feds involved in any way. I do not want to make any changes to any
diver's personal freedoms. I want one or two,  elite agencies to exist, so
that smarter, better divers, can have a better chance of becoming better
still, and of living longer, more enjoyable lives.  And I'd really like it
if you re-read my past posts, so you'd realize the only reason your getting
static from me now, is that in each of my past posts, I was consistently
talking about just changing training parameters for an agency or two, not
all of them---by business decision,  the free market, filling a niche---get
the picture? I was not talking about asking for anybody to enact any laws to
prevent you or your friends from diving the way you want to.  There is no
law in the US to prevent anyone from tech diving, and hopefully, there never
will be.
As to my treatment of the lame agencies, whose complete lack of screening
and safety will be the legacy you wish for---I don't have to say nice things
about morons. I don't have to like them. Its not in my power to remove them,
and its not my place anyhow.  I'll let you and your buddies do that. :)
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: Jammer Six <jammer@oz*.ne*>
To: techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Date: Friday, February 27, 1998 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: Tragic technicaldiving



>> Jammer,
>>Should you go to College without entrance exams?
>
>Actually, I did exactly that.
>
>>Should you become a SEAL without completing the training for SEAL TEAM
>>members?
>
>Funny, I thought we were talking about technical diving. Don't confuse
>that with the Navy. They're not even close to the same thing. Being in
>the SEALs is actually difficult, it's almost as tough as being in the
>Military.
>
>>Should you be allowed to perform brain surgery on people without having
>>successfully completed the rigors of medical school?
>
>Separate subject. We're talking about who should be allowed to ATTEMPT
>medical school.
>
>>Should you be allowed in the boxing ring with Mike Tyson, to have a shot
at
>>getting your ear bitten off, or much worse, without first having proved
you
>>belong in a championship bout? :)
>
>Absolutely. Take your best shot.
>
>Haven't watched much boxing, have you? They let LOTS of unqualified
>steroid cases get eaten alive by champions, every year.
>
>(Although tyson is no champion, he's a short-eyes.)
>
>>If you haven't heard me clearly saying everyone has the right---but they
>>need to go through the appropriate training and pass the prerequisites
>>first, then you must have already found your way in to the ring with
Tyson.
>>What's it like without an ear??? <grin>
>
>It's the prerequiesites and training nonsense I'm arguing.
>
>Only private groups, like WKPP, the Ku Klux Klan, and the Nation of Islam
>can set arbitrary preqs like you're suggesting.
>
>Fortunately, those preqs only apply to entry to those groups, and have
>nothing to do with the rest of us.
>
>What I'm telling you, with or without your understanding, comprehension,
>or permission, is that the prerequisites and training that you have been
>babbling about for multiple mixed gas, 200 foot, decompression diving
>will never be allowed to become law in the U.S., and therefore will never
>have any impact on the vast majority of the diving public.
>
>We're going to loose a few. Darwin never blinks, and if you want to slap
>him, by doing a dive that you're not really qualified for, have at it.
>With my blessing.
>
>I have several suggestions about how you could learn to live with this,
>and actually become comfortable enough with it to sleep at night, but I'm
>sure that you will arrive at suitable conclusions on your own.
>
>As I noted in another post, on another subject, the sky is not really
>falling, Mr. Little.
>
>Don't be afraid.
>
>------------
>"C'mon, you sons of bitches, you
>want to live forever?"
>     -First Sergeant Dan Daly, 1918
>------------
>
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