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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:56:10 +0000
To: Phil Clarke <phil.clarke@bt*.bt*.co*.uk*>, "'bdi@wh*.ne*'" <bdi@wh*.ne*>
From: Dave Lund <dave@lu*.pr*.co*.uk*>
Subject: RE: What Is A Stroke: challenge to Bill
Cc: "'cavers'" <cavers@ww*.ge*.co*>, "'techdiver'" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Actually, on a small pitching RIB, I only ever have a problem with
hoses/crap from the person sitting next to me if their hoses are not
properly under control - sticking out and a pain.

I don't have a problem kitting up (on my own if necessary), but I prefer
someone to steady the rig with a spare hand on the sponson if the weathers
a bit rough - saves throwing the lot overboard! I don't have a problem with
a long hose (it's clipped off on the shoulder D ring when in the bottle
rack in the centre of the RIB) and I don't have a problem dekitting in
rough weather. 

Oh yes, and I've done it from an inflatable (calm conditions) and a small
RIB both with 4 divers on/under 5m long and on larger 6.4m RIB with 8 on, -
I don't need any more space than I used to. Gets a bit tight in the bottle
rack, but we lay the extras down in the back, or rope them on somewhere.

I concede kitting up was easier with single tank, comando stab etc. I
didn't need the manifolded twins with the dives I did then, and anyway had
no concept at that time of other rigs. Still, hassle kitting up is nothing
compared to ease of diving, and the hog rig is SO much easier to dive, I'm
prepared to put up with a tiny bit of extra hassle on the surface. Rig
evolution with a long hose and the comando was a nightmare, I'm truly glad
I don't use it anymore.

The seas may not be as rough north Cornwall (big Atlantic swell) or the
channel compared to the North Sea, but I bet we kit up in similar
conditions - I think you would call the dive if the weather gets too bad
before you go in at the same stage I would. Sea state getting out is
another matter, if the weather gets as bad as quickly as you say - I don't
know. 

You agree that the 2m in the water is good, so I guess you agree if it's
needed it's taken or stay on the boat.

Dave


>Fantastic. Now imagine a small deck with 4 or 6 rigs on it, You're
>sitting on a pitching sponson, vying for space with 5 other people.
>While you're donning your rig that big hose is flapping round somewhere,
>waiting to snag something on the deck, sponson lines or flop in the
>water. Or your helper can hold it - but if they're seated on your left
>they need to reach behind you & drag it out. Its not much work, but its
>work.
>
>once in the water the 2m hose is excellent, no argument.
>
>you dont need assistance with a 32" hose when kitting up, it hangs by
>ones bum until needed.
>
>go on Bill, say it: "a 32 inch hose is less grief than a 2m one when
>kitting up on RIB's". I promise you probably wont burst into flames, but
>if you cant face this simple fact then how much credibility have your
>other arguments?
>
>
>Phil
>--
>  Phil Clarke
>  Human Factors, BT Labs
>  http://www.labs.bt.com/people/clarkep3/
>>
>
>

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