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Rich  - you have no clue what you are talking about here - let's drop
it. You don't cave dive, you don't wreck dive. you don't know what we
are doing, you have never seen it , done it  , or discussed with anyopne
who has a clue, and  I am not going to deal in this with you. 

This is why we use a one-piece "doing it right", as being "separated
from your rig" in a drysuit is a death sentence. This is why we do not
dive stroke rigs, or stoke gear . This is why we do it right.

When sidemounting, the harness has the weights in it. When ocaen diving
in warm water in a skin, I have a weightbelt. 

Rich, in your efforts to keep the morons like Easop pumped up, you are
yourself not only looking like a neophyte, you are annoying me. 
Get over it.I can't answer stupid questions all night.

I do not take my gear off ever, and the guy who told me that proved it
to me by doing it and dying. Repeat, I do not use bondage wings, and
have been over why. You really think you are clever,just like you pals.

Richard Pyle wrote:
> 
> > Richie, I love ya , but this is silly - we use 104's only when using C-4
> > Thinsulate under a drysuit . The 104's are 9 pounds negaitve emtpy, the
> > cave light is seven. The regs are a coupple more - exactly perfect, and
> > the wings get a litle gas
> 
> So what you're saying is that if you and your rig become separated, the
> rig is 20 pounds negative and you are 20 lbs posative?  Can't
> imagine ever needing to part company with your rig? Apparently you don't
> do much solo open-water diving. I can even think of one cave death that
> might have been prevented if both the diver and the rig were
> independently neutral.
> 
> > GEtting awya with something dumb does not
> > make it a good choice.
> 
> Which is exactly why I think you should seriously reconsider the balance
> of your equipment, despite the many times you have gotten away with it.
> 
> Just think it through carefully before responding - that's all I ask.
> 
> Also, please provide me with a list of *reasons* why bondage wings
> contribute to diver deaths any more than black fins do.
> 
> Thanks,
> Rich
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