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From: Jon Guizar <jeg154@ps*.ed*>
To: "'Randy Sullivan'" <sulteck@ic*.ne*>
Cc: "'techdiver@aquanaut.com'" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>,
     "'cavers@ge*.co*'"
    
Subject: ICE - Cave - ICE - Cave
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:48:50 -0800
You Wrote:
Cave diving is not the same as ice diving.  Please get that though your
skull.  I have done a river dive for a mile 25 times and have never
surfaced.  Does that qualify me to do a 2,500 penetration. I don't think =
so.

I SAY:
I agree Randy.  That would probably not be sufficient.  Sounds like it =
could be interesting though.

You Wrote:
Why do you think you can use cave equipment to ice dive?

I Say:
Because I do it Randy.  I too live in the NorthEast and have to settle =
for ice diving.  That does not mean I want someone tying a rope to me =
while I'm in the water.

You Wrote:
I can say the same thing about cave diving.  What is at 1,000 feet that
isn't at 100'.  I believe it is still just rock.=20

I Say:
Ignoring the personal satisfaction one gets from exploring new things, =
there might have been a time when I would have agreed with you, but now, =
at some sites, you need to go 2000 feet back at depths of 100fsw or more =
just to see something other than mass destruction caused by the jerks on =
scooters.   These are people that have no technique and no appreciation =
for the need to strive for perfection.  They correct for their lack of =
skills by riding a scooter (big mistake).

You should consider some cave training Randy.  Not for the purpose of =
cave diving, but rather, for a new perspective on diving in an overhead =
environment.  I would be surprised if you did that and still maintained =
that cave diving has nothing to do with ice diving.  In Fact, I would =
bet that you would change a few diving practices.


No caves for me to dive in locally Randy but I can assure you that I =
dive a full cave rig on almost every dive I do.

Jon

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