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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:26:52 -0500
From: "G. Irvine" <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: Woodville Karst Plain Project
To: Steve Schinke <tekdive@ho*.co*>
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: What is Deep?
Steve, you keep coming up with more and more reasons why I am right
about this. I like the one about achoholics funcitioning drunk - they do
a great job of that all right. 

I am critcicizing the stupid thigs you are saying. No amount of your
side comments can change that, nor can it change the scorecard.

You claim "500" dive year and then say "if you feel you have to boast".
Stgeve, you are a liar, a hypopocrite, and a proven moron. Air diving is
always by guys like you - keep up the good work, you're making a lot of
sense here.

Steve Schinke wrote:
> 
> Geepers i guess i better find someone who can teach me how to dive HYK
> HUYK HUYK.
> 
> Look you stupid american slob I dive every day and log over 500 dives a
> year.   As for the control the narcosis magic formula.  if you would
> clean the shit out of your ears and open your eyes to what has been
> transgressing here you would realize that I DON'T think there is any
> magical formula.  There is no way to control narcosis.  But its effects
> vary from individual to individual and environment to environment.  The
> effects of narcosis can be dealt with to a degree.  you call it a drug.
> well drugs effect people on and individual basis as well.  Ask your
> local pharmacist.  it is also possible to build up tolerance to certain
> drugs with extended use(ask the guy at the crack house you were going to
> refer me to.  Many alcoholics funtong normaly while under the influence.
> now i am not saying that they preform as well as someone not under the
> influence or condoning drug use of ANY form(nitrogen included ask you
> refer to it as a drug).  But it is an individual choice just like any
> other thing.  It is not your place or right to dictate anything to
> anyone exept your teammates.  So until you become god relax a bit.  hey
> about your accomplishments to make
> yourself feel good go right ahead, keep in mind boasting is way
> overrated)  If you are some kind of power hungey control freak who
> thinks that his way is the only way to dive then you are as stupid as
> everyone says you are.  personaly i expected more...
> 
> STEVE
> >Steve, after you get certified , and they let you go diving, you can
> >then tell us all how the cow ate the cabbage. Please get me the
> "control
> >narcosis" magic formula so I can quit using gas and save about $5,000 a
> >year on my WKPP dives alone.
> >
> >Fact - you have no idea what you are talking about, and you have
> exposed
> >yourself as a moron with the reference you chose - good work, I knew I
> >was right about you from the fist sentence of the first thing that came
> >out of your ignorant mouth.
> >
> >Steve Schinke wrote:
> >>
> >> Art,
> >> There is no confusion of the facts merely your interpretation of them
> I
> >> never claimed that i was the biggers toughest bad ass diver in the
> world
> >> or to be immune to narcosis.  In addition i also never stated that
> one
> >> can not suffer the effecrs of narcosis.
> >> Narcosis is a reality not a figment of someones imagination.  But i
> do
> >> know that the effects of narcosis may be controlled to a degree.
> which
> >> is ture,  it is also true that narcosis effects everyone differently
> if
> >> it doesn't please show me the magic line that says proceed past this
> >> point on air and you will suffer nitrogen narcosis regardless of age
> >> weight, hydration, wheather or not you smoke and what kind of
> physical
> >> shape you are in.
> >>
> >> DCS is effected by a number of factors and can be reduced by
> minimizing
> >> certain ones the same is true for narcosis.  It is a simple
> pysiological
> >> fact.
> >>
> >> To what degree this is is individual that is also true.  yes narcosis
> >> does lower performance but to what degree and how it is delt with is
> >> varies from person to person.
> >>
> >> SAFE DIVING
> >>
> >> STEVE
> >> >Steve,
> >> >       Read a peer reviewed, scientific article on performance with
> narcosis.
> >> >Your statement is scientifically proven to be WRONG.  One THINKS
> task
> >> >performance is getting better, but it never does.  Actual tests
> prove
> >> this.
> >> > 'Subjective and Behavioral Effects Associated with Repeated
> Exposure
> >> to
> >> >Narcosis'  Aviation, Space, and Environmental Medicine, Oct 1992.
> It
> >> was
> >> >done by the DCIEM guys up north.
> >> >       You know, I really hate it when issues are confused with the
> facts.
> >> Just
> >> >isn't as much fun to argue.
> >> >       Art
> >> >
> >> >P.S.  Don't write back and say this doesn't apply to me, or that it
> >> won't
> >> >happen to me, or that I am better/tougher than this, or I have 10
> >> zillion
> >> >dives and have gotten used to it.  I have three teenagers that tell
> me
> >> this
> >> >all the time.
> >> >
> >>
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