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Does somebody know where to get Farallon fin straps?. Are they manufactured nowadays?. G. Irvine wrote: > Kevin, I appologize for this blasphemy - I was agreeing with you. I just > assume that anyone who does not start out a bondage wing discusion with > the words "a friend of mine.." sees this the same way I do. I should > have been clearer in the comment, as I can undestand the severity of the > potential insult. Only a complete stroke would think that a convoluted > pice of nonsense like this could have any possible use. They are > dangerous, they increase drag from current or scootering, they are a > convoltued cluster waiting for a place to happen. Eveything on them is > in the wrong position, and the double bladder thing is absolutely the > single dumbest thing I have seen outside of just straght deep air > diving. > > This is a typical case of gear designed by a know-it-all who does no > diving in the first place, like 99% of the scuba gear out there. There > are so few cases of gear properly done in the first place that I could > list most of them right of the top of my head right here: > > TUSA mask > Beuchat Jet Fin ( now the Scuba Pro) > Original Scuba Pro bc ( twenty years old ) > Luxfer 80 aluminum tank > pressed steel 104 tank > scuba pro manifold > Dive Rite wing > Flanigan back plate > Martz light ( English, AUL, Gavin, and now Miller) > Farallon fin straps ( now oceanic) > Bill Main spool > Gavin scooter > Oceanic backup light ( now Miller) > DUI TLS 350 ( self-donning, telespcoping, trilaminate) drysuit > G250 regulator and Apeks copy > certain fist stages, like the various states of the USD conshelf, > the varioius versions and copies of the MK20, the Odin, etc > Uwatec bottom timers > Suunto compasses > wetnotes > RMV rebreathers > > These are examples of things that have worked well forever that wre > desgigned by divers who actualy did the diving, and which worked then > and now. Thee are not gimmicks, they are the real thing. > > Kevin Connell wrote: > > > > G - you are the second person that insinuated that I was actually > > recommending these things. Did it sound like I was saying dual bladders > > were OK? > > > > I was trying to say that having to figure out which side to shut down is > > another reason NOT to use dual bladders. ie/ they are a cluster. > > > > At 07:43 PM 1/9/98 -0500, you wrote: > > >Kev, these things invite a cluster, and since only a stroke would have > > >them, the odds go way up . > > > > > >Kevin Connell wrote: > > >> > > >> This is actually a good example of why dual bladders aren't so great. > > >> Given you have a wing overinflating (or just inflating, both of which are > > >> usually due to poor maintenance), which valve do you shut down, or which > > >> inflator hose do you disconnect? > > >> > > >> On a single wing / drysuit system, the choice is obvious. Shut down the > > >> correct post (or maybe the argon). > > >> > > >> At 09:07 AM 1/9/98 -0800, you wrote: > > >> >What ever happened to valve shut-down skills? > > >> > > > >> >Anthony DeBoer wrote: > > >> > > > >> >> > > I met a guy with a exploded bondage wing yesterday. He had a freeze > > >> up on > > >> >> > > the inflator during a cold water dive. It resulted in a uncontrolled > > >> >> > > filling of the wing. He went ballistic and could not dump air due to > > >> the > > >> >> > > over pressure thing failed. Can you imagine the sound when a twin > > cell > > >> >> > > bondage wing explode:-) > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > The guy did not hurt him self but is no longer looking for a new > > >> bondage wing! > > >> >> > > >> >> The runaway inflator would have only been filling one of the two air > > >> >> cells, so it probably didn't sound too much different than a single wing > > >> >> would have. > > >> >> > > >> >> However, the people who advertise this stuff tell you that the other air > > >> >> cell gives you redundancy in case one fails, but there's a chance the > > >> >> second cell would be compromised by the first one blowing up in this > > type > > >> >> of incident, depending on whether it blew toward or away from its mate. > > >> >> There's also the chance that even intact, the second cell would extrude > > >> >> through a split in the outer jacket and cause some really interesting > > >> >> bouyancy issues. > > >> >> > > >> >> -- > > >> >> Anthony DeBoer <adb@on*.ca*> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> > > >> > > >> Northwest Labor Systems > > >> http://www.nwls.com > > >> Bellingham, WA > > >> > > >> Fight Spam! 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