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Kevin, I appologize for this blasphemy - I was agreeing with you. I just assume that anyone who does not start out a bondage wing discusion with the words "a friend of mine.." sees this the same way I do. I should have been clearer in the comment, as I can undestand the severity of the potential insult. Only a complete stroke would think that a convoluted pice of nonsense like this could have any possible use. They are dangerous, they increase drag from current or scootering, they are a convoltued cluster waiting for a place to happen. Eveything on them is in the wrong position, and the double bladder thing is absolutely the single dumbest thing I have seen outside of just straght deep air diving. This is a typical case of gear designed by a know-it-all who does no diving in the first place, like 99% of the scuba gear out there. There are so few cases of gear properly done in the first place that I could list most of them right of the top of my head right here: TUSA mask Beuchat Jet Fin ( now the Scuba Pro) Original Scuba Pro bc ( twenty years old ) Luxfer 80 aluminum tank pressed steel 104 tank scuba pro manifold Dive Rite wing Flanigan back plate Martz light ( English, AUL, Gavin, and now Miller) Farallon fin straps ( now oceanic) Bill Main spool Gavin scooter Oceanic backup light ( now Miller) DUI TLS 350 ( self-donning, telespcoping, trilaminate) drysuit G250 regulator and Apeks copy certain fist stages, like the various states of the USD conshelf, the varioius versions and copies of the MK20, the Odin, etc Uwatec bottom timers Suunto compasses wetnotes RMV rebreathers These are examples of things that have worked well forever that wre desgigned by divers who actualy did the diving, and which worked then and now. Thee are not gimmicks, they are the real thing. Kevin Connell wrote: > > G - you are the second person that insinuated that I was actually > recommending these things. Did it sound like I was saying dual bladders > were OK? > > I was trying to say that having to figure out which side to shut down is > another reason NOT to use dual bladders. ie/ they are a cluster. > > At 07:43 PM 1/9/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Kev, these things invite a cluster, and since only a stroke would have > >them, the odds go way up . > > > >Kevin Connell wrote: > >> > >> This is actually a good example of why dual bladders aren't so great. > >> Given you have a wing overinflating (or just inflating, both of which are > >> usually due to poor maintenance), which valve do you shut down, or which > >> inflator hose do you disconnect? > >> > >> On a single wing / drysuit system, the choice is obvious. Shut down the > >> correct post (or maybe the argon). > >> > >> At 09:07 AM 1/9/98 -0800, you wrote: > >> >What ever happened to valve shut-down skills? > >> > > >> >Anthony DeBoer wrote: > >> > > >> >> > > I met a guy with a exploded bondage wing yesterday. He had a freeze > >> up on > >> >> > > the inflator during a cold water dive. It resulted in a uncontrolled > >> >> > > filling of the wing. He went ballistic and could not dump air due to > >> the > >> >> > > over pressure thing failed. Can you imagine the sound when a twin > cell > >> >> > > bondage wing explode:-) > >> >> > > > >> >> > > The guy did not hurt him self but is no longer looking for a new > >> bondage wing! > >> >> > >> >> The runaway inflator would have only been filling one of the two air > >> >> cells, so it probably didn't sound too much different than a single wing > >> >> would have. > >> >> > >> >> However, the people who advertise this stuff tell you that the other air > >> >> cell gives you redundancy in case one fails, but there's a chance the > >> >> second cell would be compromised by the first one blowing up in this > type > >> >> of incident, depending on whether it blew toward or away from its mate. > >> >> There's also the chance that even intact, the second cell would extrude > >> >> through a split in the outer jacket and cause some really interesting > >> >> bouyancy issues. > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Anthony DeBoer <adb@on*.ca*> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> > >> > >> Northwest Labor Systems > >> http://www.nwls.com > >> Bellingham, WA > >> > >> Fight Spam! 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