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Jason,

No offense to you at all. I am well aware of what happened to your
scooter and as you indicated George has taken measures to correct the
problem with the motors.  I was merely going by what this Charles
character had blabbered. From the disconnected, incoherent yammer I
wasn't sure just what he was describing so I took a shot at the reed
switch.  

The real point is that when it comes to these scooters (and life support
systems) a reed switch, despite the simplicity and seeming cheapness of
this electronic artifice, is a better choice than relays, op amps, power
mosfets and other miscellaneous electro goobery. 

Regards,

Bill Mee
Tom Mount wrote:
> 
> About those Gavin Scooters.   I am one of the guys Charles referred to
> about the scooter malfunctions.   First, let me say this;   I really
> like my Gavin Scooter.  Beside my piss valve, it's the best piece of
> equipment I own.  Second, although I've experienced some minor
> inconveniences, George has always been receptive, kind, and quick
> relative to the repair of the scooter.
> 1. The scooter trigger cable came loose a couple times.  No big deal, I
> simply reconnected and not a problem since.
> 2.  I will say that the motor burned up after about 30 minutes of my
> second dive with it, NOT, Bill Mee, a reed switch failure.  Get your
> facts straight before insinuating anything about me.
>  I sent the bottom half back to George who quickly fixed it.  I left it
> all together so he could evaluate the whole piece and thereby be better
> able to make a more accurate determination of what occurred.
> 
> Motor replaced and returned, no problem since.   We've run these things
> out further than anyone's been in Missouri cave (several of caves).
> 
> Richard L,  before you comment about "handling abilities" or "technical
> skills" relative to our use of the scooters, come on over, then open
> your mouth if you care to.  The scooters aren't meant to be speed
> demons, but reliable and simple and that's the way I like it.
>         One more thing.   We're getting two more.
> 
> Charles, don't drag me or Tom into your problem with George, the
> scooters, etc.  This kind of thing really pisses  me off and is dually
> unwarranted.
> 
> --------Jason Weisacosky
> 
> Bill Mee wrote:
> >
> > Charles,
> >
> > Goerge is completely correct. Farallons are marginally reliable and
> > impractical for any serious socalled "technical" diving. You have
> > obviously concluded this yourself and this is why you are selling the
> > damn thing.  BTW, since when is Peter Vicker's a "legitimate" company?
> >
> > Your childish comments about Jason and Tom's scooters constructed by us
> > are uninformed rubbish. Your socalled "technical" diving buddies
> > couldn't even repair a "complex device" like a  reed switch and returned
> > the entire scooter which George immediately repaired and returned to
> > them.  As for the length of the scooters being different this is utter
> > nonsense. The bodies are precisely cut and turned on a CNC lathe and are
> > very accurate.  You are mistakenly referring to the internal bulkhead
> > spacing on the batteries which only serves to prove that you have no
> > idea of what you are talking about and is yet another reason why you
> > should call the make a wish foundation to remove your Farallon
> > immediately.
> >
> > The original motor is manufactured by Oceanic (Mako) and they do not
> > warrant this motor; however George does accept full responsiblity for
> > the motor and replaces or repairs, at his often considerable expense any
> > problem motors. George personally dismantles, tests and reassembles the
> > Mako motors upon receiving them from the factory.  These shunt wound
> > fractional horsepower DC electric motors are not high technology devices
> > and like anything else are subject to failure.  George personally
> > warrants these devices despite the fact that the manufacturer accepts no
> > responsibility. Any WKPP scooter which experiences a problem or has been
> > damaged in such cataclysmic events as a car accident have been repaired
> > by George at no charge.  I can assure you that the failure modes on a
> > WKPP scooter are significantly less than anything else out there.
> >
> > As for the buoyancy, Jason and Tom were informed that the ballasting of
> > the scooters must be changed for usage in salt water. An addtional 2 lbs
> > of weight must be added to the unit to neutralize it for usage in
> > seawater, although a highly technical concept such as water density
> > might elude certain individuals. With respect to the speed these systems
> > are not designed to be extremely fast (150 - 200 fpm), but rather very
> > reliable. All of the WKPPs extreme exposure long range cave dives have
> > been accomplished with these scooters and nobody is still in the cave.
> >
> > You comments are incoherent, ill advised and only demonstrate why you
> > should probably sell all of your dive gear and take up golf.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Bill Mee
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