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Bill, all of the other scooters have reed switches or other facimiles,
only they add more relays , circuitry, rheotstats, hull penetrations,
and other mindless baloney to appease the strokes who are attracted to
this kind of nonsense. My favortite all time was when McGuirre tried to
tell me that a control board was better than a relay, while he was
holding it up and from five feet away I could see three of the same
relays we use all in series so that any one of them could fail on or off
and ruin the whole thing. I also like the placement of thse devices so
that you get either an explosuion or a chance to run the thing backards,
wide open, or not at all when it gets wet.

 

Bill Mee wrote:
> 
> Jason,
> 
> No offense to you at all. I am well aware of what happened to your
> scooter and as you indicated George has taken measures to correct the
> problem with the motors.  I was merely going by what this Charles
> character had blabbered. From the disconnected, incoherent yammer I
> wasn't sure just what he was describing so I took a shot at the reed
> switch.
> 
> The real point is that when it comes to these scooters (and life support
> systems) a reed switch, despite the simplicity and seeming cheapness of
> this electronic artifice, is a better choice than relays, op amps, power
> mosfets and other miscellaneous electro goobery.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Bill Mee
> Tom Mount wrote:
> >
> > About those Gavin Scooters.   I am one of the guys Charles referred to
> > about the scooter malfunctions.   First, let me say this;   I really
> > like my Gavin Scooter.  Beside my piss valve, it's the best piece of
> > equipment I own.  Second, although I've experienced some minor
> > inconveniences, George has always been receptive, kind, and quick
> > relative to the repair of the scooter.
> > 1. The scooter trigger cable came loose a couple times.  No big deal, I
> > simply reconnected and not a problem since.
> > 2.  I will say that the motor burned up after about 30 minutes of my
> > second dive with it, NOT, Bill Mee, a reed switch failure.  Get your
> > facts straight before insinuating anything about me.
> >  I sent the bottom half back to George who quickly fixed it.  I left it
> > all together so he could evaluate the whole piece and thereby be better
> > able to make a more accurate determination of what occurred.
> >
> > Motor replaced and returned, no problem since.   We've run these things
> > out further than anyone's been in Missouri cave (several of caves).
> >
> > Richard L,  before you comment about "handling abilities" or "technical
> > skills" relative to our use of the scooters, come on over, then open
> > your mouth if you care to.  The scooters aren't meant to be speed
> > demons, but reliable and simple and that's the way I like it.
> >         One more thing.   We're getting two more.
> >
> > Charles, don't drag me or Tom into your problem with George, the
> > scooters, etc.  This kind of thing really pisses  me off and is dually
> > unwarranted.
> >
> > --------Jason Weisacosky
> >
> > Bill Mee wrote:
> > >
> > > Charles,
> > >
> > > Goerge is completely correct. Farallons are marginally reliable and
> > > impractical for any serious socalled "technical" diving. You have
> > > obviously concluded this yourself and this is why you are selling the
> > > damn thing.  BTW, since when is Peter Vicker's a "legitimate" company?
> > >
> > > Your childish comments about Jason and Tom's scooters constructed by us
> > > are uninformed rubbish. Your socalled "technical" diving buddies
> > > couldn't even repair a "complex device" like a  reed switch and returned
> > > the entire scooter which George immediately repaired and returned to
> > > them.  As for the length of the scooters being different this is utter
> > > nonsense. The bodies are precisely cut and turned on a CNC lathe and are
> > > very accurate.  You are mistakenly referring to the internal bulkhead
> > > spacing on the batteries which only serves to prove that you have no
> > > idea of what you are talking about and is yet another reason why you
> > > should call the make a wish foundation to remove your Farallon
> > > immediately.
> > >
> > > The original motor is manufactured by Oceanic (Mako) and they do not
> > > warrant this motor; however George does accept full responsiblity for
> > > the motor and replaces or repairs, at his often considerable expense any
> > > problem motors. George personally dismantles, tests and reassembles the
> > > Mako motors upon receiving them from the factory.  These shunt wound
> > > fractional horsepower DC electric motors are not high technology devices
> > > and like anything else are subject to failure.  George personally
> > > warrants these devices despite the fact that the manufacturer accepts no
> > > responsibility. Any WKPP scooter which experiences a problem or has been
> > > damaged in such cataclysmic events as a car accident have been repaired
> > > by George at no charge.  I can assure you that the failure modes on a
> > > WKPP scooter are significantly less than anything else out there.
> > >
> > > As for the buoyancy, Jason and Tom were informed that the ballasting of
> > > the scooters must be changed for usage in salt water. An addtional 2 lbs
> > > of weight must be added to the unit to neutralize it for usage in
> > > seawater, although a highly technical concept such as water density
> > > might elude certain individuals. With respect to the speed these systems
> > > are not designed to be extremely fast (150 - 200 fpm), but rather very
> > > reliable. All of the WKPPs extreme exposure long range cave dives have
> > > been accomplished with these scooters and nobody is still in the cave.
> > >
> > > You comments are incoherent, ill advised and only demonstrate why you
> > > should probably sell all of your dive gear and take up golf.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Bill Mee
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