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Jason, I got blindsided on the motors and a whole batch failed on me and on Arnie Jackson. We now know what to look for, and can correct it or get them rewound. For a while I had to dive every scooter myself, or get Bill Mee, Joe Citelli, or one of the others like Errol to test them on Errols dive boat. We now offer two options : the original Mako, or the DV 100 ( yes, we can duplicate the old DV 100 motors). Jason and Bob's new scooters have DV 100 motors. The problem with strokes like Charles is that they have not been "Downtown", so have the alligator mouth with the tadpole ass and the typical farm animal wisdom in the typical cave diver fashion. As you point out, look who has the end of the line, in Missouri and in Florida, and look who is selling their last mistakes. The last guy who sold a Gavin scooter did not even get to the list with it before it was gone, and Casey sold his in ten minutes at a premium to the price of a brand new one. When are you and Tom (Mount) coming by? On the Bill Mee comment, we could not remember what the problem ( trigger cable) was. Our own guys are funny about that , also, they bring them to me or Barry for everything, but when the owners get used to how simple they are, we never hear from them again. 48 seconds to take apart, 2 minutes to change the motor, all parts available world wide, but they are intimidating at first. Tom Mount wrote: > > About those Gavin Scooters. I am one of the guys Charles referred to > about the scooter malfunctions. First, let me say this; I really > like my Gavin Scooter. Beside my piss valve, it's the best piece of > equipment I own. Second, although I've experienced some minor > inconveniences, George has always been receptive, kind, and quick > relative to the repair of the scooter. > 1. The scooter trigger cable came loose a couple times. No big deal, I > simply reconnected and not a problem since. > 2. I will say that the motor burned up after about 30 minutes of my > second dive with it, NOT, Bill Mee, a reed switch failure. Get your > facts straight before insinuating anything about me. > I sent the bottom half back to George who quickly fixed it. I left it > all together so he could evaluate the whole piece and thereby be better > able to make a more accurate determination of what occurred. > > Motor replaced and returned, no problem since. We've run these things > out further than anyone's been in Missouri cave (several of caves). > > Richard L, before you comment about "handling abilities" or "technical > skills" relative to our use of the scooters, come on over, then open > your mouth if you care to. The scooters aren't meant to be speed > demons, but reliable and simple and that's the way I like it. > One more thing. We're getting two more. > > Charles, don't drag me or Tom into your problem with George, the > scooters, etc. This kind of thing really pisses me off and is dually > unwarranted. > > --------Jason Weisacosky > > Bill Mee wrote: > > > > Charles, > > > > Goerge is completely correct. Farallons are marginally reliable and > > impractical for any serious socalled "technical" diving. You have > > obviously concluded this yourself and this is why you are selling the > > damn thing. BTW, since when is Peter Vicker's a "legitimate" company? > > > > Your childish comments about Jason and Tom's scooters constructed by us > > are uninformed rubbish. Your socalled "technical" diving buddies > > couldn't even repair a "complex device" like a reed switch and returned > > the entire scooter which George immediately repaired and returned to > > them. As for the length of the scooters being different this is utter > > nonsense. The bodies are precisely cut and turned on a CNC lathe and are > > very accurate. You are mistakenly referring to the internal bulkhead > > spacing on the batteries which only serves to prove that you have no > > idea of what you are talking about and is yet another reason why you > > should call the make a wish foundation to remove your Farallon > > immediately. > > > > The original motor is manufactured by Oceanic (Mako) and they do not > > warrant this motor; however George does accept full responsiblity for > > the motor and replaces or repairs, at his often considerable expense any > > problem motors. George personally dismantles, tests and reassembles the > > Mako motors upon receiving them from the factory. These shunt wound > > fractional horsepower DC electric motors are not high technology devices > > and like anything else are subject to failure. George personally > > warrants these devices despite the fact that the manufacturer accepts no > > responsibility. Any WKPP scooter which experiences a problem or has been > > damaged in such cataclysmic events as a car accident have been repaired > > by George at no charge. I can assure you that the failure modes on a > > WKPP scooter are significantly less than anything else out there. > > > > As for the buoyancy, Jason and Tom were informed that the ballasting of > > the scooters must be changed for usage in salt water. An addtional 2 lbs > > of weight must be added to the unit to neutralize it for usage in > > seawater, although a highly technical concept such as water density > > might elude certain individuals. With respect to the speed these systems > > are not designed to be extremely fast (150 - 200 fpm), but rather very > > reliable. All of the WKPPs extreme exposure long range cave dives have > > been accomplished with these scooters and nobody is still in the cave. > > > > You comments are incoherent, ill advised and only demonstrate why you > > should probably sell all of your dive gear and take up golf. > > > > Regards, > > > > Bill Mee -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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