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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 19:02:57 -0500
From: "G. Irvine" <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: Woodville Karst Plain Project
To: Greg Zambeck <gzambeck@us*.ne*>
CC: Chuck Noe <gulftex@sp*.co*>, Anthony DeBoer <adb@on*.ca*>,
     cavers@ww*.ge*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: What is a real stroke?Re: Mk-5 ScubaPro
Greg, people who come on here bragging about deep air diving, issuing "diving
challenges" for really pointless nonsense, and offering mindless stupidity
about gear to anyone whom you think will listen, while already haveing proven
yourself  to be a dangerous moron, are what we call "strokes".

Diving with strokes or listening to strokes is nothing more than assisted
suicide. Let me offer you a challenge : see if you can go through 1998 without
killing any students, lying about dives, leaving buddy, recommending dangerous,
stupid, ill-thought-out nonsense, and displaying diconnected dementia on diving
lists.

As Bill Mee pointed out,

Trey:

This post by Zambeck is the single stupidest and most incoherent stream of
conscious
excreta I have ever observed.  This truly is a sushi winnning piece of
comedy.

Zambeck is beyond Farm Animal Stupid.  We a have a case here of some as
yet unknown and undetected brain lesion or some other form of viral
induced psychopathology.

The lunacy which spews from this individual becomes progressively more
demented and bizarre.  Certain types of hallucinogen induced
schizophrenia will produces behavior approaching this.  You need to
forward this over to Petey Heseltine and other physicians on the pist
for a ad hoc diagnosis.

I can only hope that Zambeck's relatives can restrain him and the lax
firearm laws of our country will not cause this individual to come into
contact with a dangerous weapon.  Now, on the outside chance that he
stumbles across a stray firearm is he aware that the barrel must be
placed in the mouth?  Zambeck needs to wintering in a warm padded cell
in Bedlam.

Greg Zambeck wrote:
>
> First of all George I didn't criticize you make a 11,000 foot dive or for
> the physical training program.  It just seems to me that before you want to
> tell the world about you swimming ability you would have a record setting

Greg Zambeck wrote:

> Chuck the shower head is solved by using a machined adaptor and a common
> diaphram.
> Give me a fax numbe and I will send you the drawings
>
> Greg Z.
>
> ----------
> > From: Chuck Noe <gulftex@sp*.co*>
> > To: Anthony DeBoer <adb@on*.ca*>
> > Cc: cavers@ww*.ge*.co*
> > Subject: Re: Mk-5 ScubaPro
> > Date: Tuesday, December 30, 1997 2:18 PM
> >
> > Anthony,
> >
> > Just for the record:
> >
> > The Odin is not a downstream second stage. It's not exactly an upstream
> > unit either. It's better described as a "condom in a can". A high
> > performance, finicky, wet-breathing condom in a can. But, NO second stage
>
> > has ever (or probably will ever) deliver a higher volume of air than an
> > Odin. This fact can be a positive or negative depending on the
> > circumstances. The current model Odin will drain a tank through the
> > second stage (with the purge button depressed fully) faster than a
> > Scubapro Mk 20 with an open-ended hose; try it!
> >
> > The reasons that "shower heads" are discouraged is due to the difficulty
> > of field stripping, adjustment, and clearing of water. Also, the
> > non-standard hose make interchanging regulators impossible.
> >
> > The Cyklon unit you have IS a downstream valve. Its performance would
> > more closely approximate that of a typical regulator. But, the problems
> > of difficult field-stripping and poor interchangeability (due to oddball
> > hoses and IP pressure needs) still haunt this regulator.
> >
> > These regulators are not crap, but as with all high performance
> > machinery, they require a thorough understanding of their needs and
> > limitations. For many applications a "workhorse" is a better choice.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> > Anthony DeBoer wrote:
> > >
> > > Tomsits <odyssey@at*.mi*.co*> writes:
> > > > >whether or not the improvements in the balanced or G250 models are
> > > > >worth the bucks I'll have to lay out to upgrade.
> > > >
> > > > I can tell you without a doubt the upgrade kit is WELL worth the
> price
> > > > difference.  You can't belive the difference in how they'll breath.
> > > >
> > > > >I got sucked in to
> > > > >switching to poseidons a few years ago, and have regretted it ever
> > > > >since. ...
> > > >
> > > > Sorry to hear this.  I agree, the Poseidon do suck.
> > >
> > > I've been using Poseidons for a long time, with virtually no trouble at
> > > all, and I'm seriously wondering if I'm lucky or why my experience is
> so
> > > different than that of quite a number of others.
> > >
> > > On the first-stage side, there's word of a recent batch of bad HP
> seats,
> > > but I haven't heard any critique of one model vs. another.  On the
> > > second-stage side, though, much has been said about the Odin (the
> > > downstream-valve model people either love or hate, mostly the latter),
> > > and the less said about the stillborn Triton the better, but I haven't
> > > heard much about the old Cyklon (hockey-puck; upstream valve) second,
> and
> > > that's what I have.  Apparently the WKPP uses Posidon firsts with
> > > third-party seconds, so that's a pretty good indication of which end is
> > > regarded as crap.
> > >
> > > Are most of you gentlemen's complaints centred around the second
> stages?
> > >
> > > I'm thinking maybe I should look for the "octopus" version of the G250,
> > > assuming Scubapro sells it in that form (and assuming they don't start
> > > eyeing my firstborn when I ask how much it costs) and try that on my
> > > existing firsts.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Anthony DeBoer <adb@on*.ca*>



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