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Jim, I agree with you on most everything but you should remember that PADI is in the recreational diving business and on the opposite polar end of the dive spectrum from what were talking about. We can't expect the normal open water diver to be held to the same techniques necessary for tech diving even if it may be better for us. I don't agree with all their standards but I do believe the agency does keep safety and genuine education as their primary cause. Whenever I come across a student with the proper mindset and aptitude I do introduce them to better concepts and configuration. You can't train a pilot to fly a F-18 first rather he has to start out with a Cessna or other simple configuration and move up but most pilots are content with simple flying, the same concept applies with diving. PADI is in the business to make money but most instructors are in it for more noble reasons. Really, you can't make a real living in it unless you own a shop or are a very popular course director. If you don't believe so ask one to show you his books sometime. Obviously I'm not talking about the 7-11 "professionals here, they are a sad exception. At 09:02 AM 12/9/97 -0500, Jim Cobb wrote: >Todd, I agree with on this. But PADI is a business trying to make money. >Every one of these changes would result in a loss of potential card >laminations because there are agencies willing to teach the status quo. > >"Gosh" said Janie "if I go with the PADI course, I'll have to buy a $120 >long hose for my Posiden, I guess I'll go with the NAUI course where I >don't have to buy one". "But EVERYBODY uses a snorkle! And you're saying >that I don't need one? I think I'll take the NAUI course where one is >required". "All that Owhatever toxic stuff gives me a headache, think >I'll take the NAUI course where they don't mention it"."Wow, you mean >tables are pretty much a Black Art?, No thanks! I'll just go with NAUI >who says that the tables are fine". "Gosh, theres NO WAY I diving without >someone to save me when I get in trouble". > >Believe me this will happen and PADI knows it. What would have to happen >is all the XYZ agencies would have to get together and agree on a >standard. A cold day in hell when that happens. I think that the "Tech" >agencies will have to take up the challenge of retraining the PADI and >NAUI, etc. people. It's a tough row to hoe, but I know that Tom Mount can >do it. > > Jim > >On 12/8/97 5:35 PM Todd Leonard wrote: > >>I agree completely. Like I said, there are some points where I >>think PADI could do better, but they are so far removed from deep >>air it's not funny. Examples: >> >> - In general, I believe they too strongly project the notion >> that all diving beyond the limits to which they have chosen >> to teach is irresponsible. (However, I *do* believe PADI's >> limits are appropriate for most divers! Not that most folks >> have an innate limitation like some would have us believe >> with deep air "tolerance" -- the limitations I'm referring >> to have more to do with the commitments we're each willing >> to make to training, gear config, and other issues that >> contribute to individual fitness for advanced diving.) >> >> - Breathing the long hose should minimally be discussed -- I >> think it's way better than the "golden triangle" approach >> that's taught. It's true that some folks aren't comfortable >> having a reg out of their mouths momentarily, but masking >> that problem with an inferior donation technique doesn't >> make it go away. >> >> - The snorkle mandate is nuts for most if not all diving, >> and even if for some reason you must take a snorkle for >> some contingency stowing it on the side of your head >> until you need it is still a poor choice. >> >> - I would like to see greater discussion of O2 toxicity >> right from the start of the curriculum, and probably >> some other physiology issues like PFOs. It should be >> absolutely clear to even the most basic student why >> PADI's limits are what they are -- not just "cross >> this line and you're not 'safe' anymore". >> >> - It needs to be made clear that when the instructor >> says something like "there's no guarantee you won't >> get bent if you stay within the limits", that it's >> not just the usual butt-covering we've all come to >> expect but that there really *is* a lot about this >> stuff that we don't predict accurately. >> >> - I'd like to see greater discussion of redundancy, and >> of how this is tied in to buddy-team philosophy for the >> type of diving they're teaching. >> >>Nevertheless, within the limits they've defined, I don't see >>any of these issues with PADI killing people with the extreme >>frequency of deep air. Anybody who can't see how PADI and TDI >>are different with respect to safety is beyond me. >> >>- Todd > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/trimix.html > > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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