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Des, Well put, you covered all the arguments well. This Roberto guy has obviously burned off way too many brain cells in deepair dives, or he works for TDI (same difference). I wish I had your patience in reasoning with him but blatent stupidity really pisses me off. At 06:44 PM 12/9/97 +1100, Des Paroz wrote: >Roberto > >I am sincerely trying to understand your logic here but cannot. PADI's >standards are designed to teach no decompression diving to a maximum of 40m, >preferably 30m. This is the stated aim, and they do this quite well. > >To rephrase you, you are saying that "PADI is negligent because of what they >don't teach, don't claim to teach and actively say that they don't teach". >This would be like saying that a driving school is negligent if a past >student dies in a high speed accident, because they teach people to drive on >the roads and not racetrack, even though they only advertise that they teach >road driving. > >PADI's attitude as far as I've always experienced (as a diver and >instructor) has been that depths beyond 40m, decompression diving and >penetration beyond the natural light zone (technical diving?) are outside >the scope of what they teach. They also say that if someone wants to >venture outside these limits, tehy need to gain appropriate training, and >will refer appropriately. > >If you are a PADI member have you formally requested PADI to revise their >training standards to include what you think should be included? PADI have >shown over the past few years a willingness to try new things, evidenced by >the EANx course and their recent acceptance of rebreathers. I wouldn't be >surprised if they announced deco training in the future, and if they did >would welcome this as their materials are excellent. In the meantime I will >work with agencies like ANDI who teach the stuff, and set and maintain >standards. And I hope if PADI do embrace deco diving, they maintain a depth >limit of no more than 50m for nitrox based gases. > >You obviously feel you have a grievance and seem to be looking to PADI bash. >The other agency you are defending on the other hand claims that deep air is >okay, teaches it and promotes it. And they have a poor track record with >the survival rates of what they teach. To me this would be more negligent, >as they try to justify an activity and a way of doing it that is just not >working. > >To paraphrase George Irvine, PADI has it right with respect to deep air. >Don't do it. > >Roberto, try thinking before you speak. I think you have the wrong target >and the wrong ammunition. > >Regards, Des > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Roberto Bagnasco <divetek@we*.ch*> >To: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >Date: Tuesday, 9 December 1997 17:42 >Subject: PADI standards ..... > > >>"PADI standards does not promote deep air diving..." >>I heard that many times, PADI and most of the recreational agency do not >>inform divers of what they are actually doing, PADI says something like "We >>do no decompression dives, etc" and do not give the students any >>information of what they should do, if they want to go deeper, or stay >>there longer. >>I believe that this is the only way you can keep a OW course simple and >>easy, and cheap enough, so that they can certify Joe Diver in a few days. >>Hiding the information is a criminal act, and if you make money teaching >>PADI OW courses, you are responsible for it. >> >>Go down at 130 feet, and try to simulate an out of air situation with the >>average recreational diver (or even an instructor for that matter), and see >>what happens... >> >>PS: You know what to do with your PADI standards, do yoy? >> >>Roberto >>PADI NO. 913792 >>"Am I I going to loose my card? Or is some fat arrogant Course Director >>going to PADIfy me again?" >> >> >> >><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<&l t;<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>< > >>< > >>< "Memento audere semper" > >>< > >>< > >><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<&l t;<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >> >> >>-- >>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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