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I agree with you, PADI is not to bee blamed here they do not promote deep air. If anyone is to bee blamed it has to bee Brett Gilliam, TDI and other deep air promoters. The problem as you so accurately said is when these young DM read magazine articles with the message "only the elite can handle this". You have first hand experience with these young DM´s and your statement in your letter confirms my position in this matter. You said: "these kids (that's how you call them) really read stuff about the chosen few who can go really deep on air. "if the world master goes to 150m I will easily handle 70m-75m-and more...." that's the thinking behind it." Cedric Schafroth wrote: > we are a bunch of DM´s and Instr.from dahab.we do follow your discussion > with great interest. as you will imagine we are all little PADI´s and > not big tekkies. moistly we are travelers doing scuba for a living since > some years. we dive with recreational divers from all over the world > every day. we do not have the feeling that people from other training > organizations have more knowledge or are the better divers. that PADI > does not speak about O2 toxicity is a fact that should be discussed, but > on the same hand we are providing diver training for Mr. and Mrs. xxx > that are going to dive once a year in their Caribbean holiday. > Mr. and Mrs. xxx do not give a shit about deep diving and they fall a > sleep when you start talking about alternative gases for the deep. do > they have to know it before they know what diving is about? is this > relay stuff that needs to be in a beginners course. when you do a car > driving license, they do not ask you to handle a formula one car, do > they? > > the problem with Padi could be that they call a diver with min. 60 to > 100 dives who was able to perform a weight belt removal in demonstration > manner a "highly qualified professional" (dive master or instructor). in > fact most of the guides you get on a holiday trip are exactly those > professionals. at this stage the requirement should be tuffer.in fact > these professionals still did not get more information about pp* nor any > decompression schedules. this is the moment were shit happens.... > > after 6 months working as a DM these guys get easily 500 and more dives. > this with the "highly professional" thing gets to a dangerous mixture > witch makes it easy to forget about further education and safety rules. > on top of this, these kids (that's how you call them) really read stuff > about the chosen few who can go really deep on air. "if the world master > goes to 150m I will easily handle 70m-75m-and more...." that's the > thinking behind it. > > our two friends wanted to drive a formula one car.... they where kids > trying to go full speed. the reality is very hard for the people staying > behind. on the other hand one of the guys was also a nitrox diver from a > technical federation and he had some knowledge about deep air. still > they wanted to be heroes. who to blame, PADI, why not the technical > organization that did maybe not reinforce the dangers of the deep > enough. or they knew about it, but still wanted to go beyond the > limitations (it has been done before!). > > so what to do about those speed kids. there number is unfortunately > growing every day. and this not only with PADI. what about the dive > center owners who let such things happen. they should know... > dahab has a reputation of deep air divers, and not only since yesterday. > 1997 we had already 10 fatalities. but none of the big tekkies comes > here to teach these kids properly. no, you guys sit at home and try to > blame others, instead of making an effort to change things (if it i so > important to you, get the message over to the kids, come here and teach > them, you cold even make money out of it). then we think that any > technical organization is as commercial as mother PADI.we are also sure > that not everybuddy who has a tri-mix ticket should be down there... > > the fact is an extreme los of two good young kids while diving. what to > do? > > greeting from dahab > > cedric schafroth I# 915 692 > eveline werder I# 915 691 > rolf kessler DM# 924 484 -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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