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Todd, I agree with on this. But PADI is a business trying to make money. Every one of these changes would result in a loss of potential card laminations because there are agencies willing to teach the status quo. "Gosh" said Janie "if I go with the PADI course, I'll have to buy a $120 long hose for my Posiden, I guess I'll go with the NAUI course where I don't have to buy one". "But EVERYBODY uses a snorkle! And you're saying that I don't need one? I think I'll take the NAUI course where one is required". "All that Owhatever toxic stuff gives me a headache, think I'll take the NAUI course where they don't mention it"."Wow, you mean tables are pretty much a Black Art?, No thanks! I'll just go with NAUI who says that the tables are fine". "Gosh, theres NO WAY I diving without someone to save me when I get in trouble". Believe me this will happen and PADI knows it. What would have to happen is all the XYZ agencies would have to get together and agree on a standard. A cold day in hell when that happens. I think that the "Tech" agencies will have to take up the challenge of retraining the PADI and NAUI, etc. people. It's a tough row to hoe, but I know that Tom Mount can do it. Jim On 12/8/97 5:35 PM Todd Leonard wrote: >I agree completely. Like I said, there are some points where I >think PADI could do better, but they are so far removed from deep >air it's not funny. Examples: > > - In general, I believe they too strongly project the notion > that all diving beyond the limits to which they have chosen > to teach is irresponsible. (However, I *do* believe PADI's > limits are appropriate for most divers! Not that most folks > have an innate limitation like some would have us believe > with deep air "tolerance" -- the limitations I'm referring > to have more to do with the commitments we're each willing > to make to training, gear config, and other issues that > contribute to individual fitness for advanced diving.) > > - Breathing the long hose should minimally be discussed -- I > think it's way better than the "golden triangle" approach > that's taught. It's true that some folks aren't comfortable > having a reg out of their mouths momentarily, but masking > that problem with an inferior donation technique doesn't > make it go away. > > - The snorkle mandate is nuts for most if not all diving, > and even if for some reason you must take a snorkle for > some contingency stowing it on the side of your head > until you need it is still a poor choice. > > - I would like to see greater discussion of O2 toxicity > right from the start of the curriculum, and probably > some other physiology issues like PFOs. It should be > absolutely clear to even the most basic student why > PADI's limits are what they are -- not just "cross > this line and you're not 'safe' anymore". > > - It needs to be made clear that when the instructor > says something like "there's no guarantee you won't > get bent if you stay within the limits", that it's > not just the usual butt-covering we've all come to > expect but that there really *is* a lot about this > stuff that we don't predict accurately. > > - I'd like to see greater discussion of redundancy, and > of how this is tied in to buddy-team philosophy for the > type of diving they're teaching. > >Nevertheless, within the limits they've defined, I don't see >any of these issues with PADI killing people with the extreme >frequency of deep air. Anybody who can't see how PADI and TDI >are different with respect to safety is beyond me. > >- Todd ------------------------------------------------------------------- Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/trimix.html -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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