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Roberto I am sincerely trying to understand your logic here but cannot. PADI's standards are designed to teach no decompression diving to a maximum of 40m, preferably 30m. This is the stated aim, and they do this quite well. To rephrase you, you are saying that "PADI is negligent because of what they don't teach, don't claim to teach and actively say that they don't teach". This would be like saying that a driving school is negligent if a past student dies in a high speed accident, because they teach people to drive on the roads and not racetrack, even though they only advertise that they teach road driving. PADI's attitude as far as I've always experienced (as a diver and instructor) has been that depths beyond 40m, decompression diving and penetration beyond the natural light zone (technical diving?) are outside the scope of what they teach. They also say that if someone wants to venture outside these limits, tehy need to gain appropriate training, and will refer appropriately. If you are a PADI member have you formally requested PADI to revise their training standards to include what you think should be included? PADI have shown over the past few years a willingness to try new things, evidenced by the EANx course and their recent acceptance of rebreathers. I wouldn't be surprised if they announced deco training in the future, and if they did would welcome this as their materials are excellent. In the meantime I will work with agencies like ANDI who teach the stuff, and set and maintain standards. And I hope if PADI do embrace deco diving, they maintain a depth limit of no more than 50m for nitrox based gases. You obviously feel you have a grievance and seem to be looking to PADI bash. The other agency you are defending on the other hand claims that deep air is okay, teaches it and promotes it. And they have a poor track record with the survival rates of what they teach. To me this would be more negligent, as they try to justify an activity and a way of doing it that is just not working. To paraphrase George Irvine, PADI has it right with respect to deep air. Don't do it. Roberto, try thinking before you speak. I think you have the wrong target and the wrong ammunition. Regards, Des -----Original Message----- From: Roberto Bagnasco <divetek@we*.ch*> To: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Date: Tuesday, 9 December 1997 17:42 Subject: PADI standards ..... >"PADI standards does not promote deep air diving..." >I heard that many times, PADI and most of the recreational agency do not >inform divers of what they are actually doing, PADI says something like "We >do no decompression dives, etc" and do not give the students any >information of what they should do, if they want to go deeper, or stay >there longer. >I believe that this is the only way you can keep a OW course simple and >easy, and cheap enough, so that they can certify Joe Diver in a few days. >Hiding the information is a criminal act, and if you make money teaching >PADI OW courses, you are responsible for it. > >Go down at 130 feet, and try to simulate an out of air situation with the >average recreational diver (or even an instructor for that matter), and see >what happens... > >PS: You know what to do with your PADI standards, do yoy? > >Roberto >PADI NO. 913792 >"Am I I going to loose my card? Or is some fat arrogant Course Director >going to PADIfy me again?" > > > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ;<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >< > >< > >< "Memento audere semper" > >< > >< > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ;<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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