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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 04:34:45 -0800
From: eschmidt@pu*.br*.fl*.us* (Erik Schmidt)
Organization: Public Defender's Office, 18th Circuit
To: Todd Leonard <toddl@in*.co*>
CC: divetek@we*.ch*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Deep PADI Bullshit
I'm glad to see this reply posted!  I was about to write one myself.

I am a PADI Instructor and a technical diver and I am ALWAYS learning.  I did a
small amount of deep air diving for a while, but as soon as I learned about the
hidden dangers of it, I stopped.  Even if something bad had happened while deep
air diving, I would not have blamed PADI.  They specifically say 'No diving
beyond
130 ft!'.  So why would they have anything at all to do with me diving below 130
ft???

I am a certified cave diver and Nitrox Instructor.  I am getting ready to do
Trimix soon.  I'm getting more and more involved in technical diving rapidly.  I
have learned to seperate recreational and technical diving.  In fact, much of
what
I learn in technical diving can be translated to my teaching of recreational
divers.  I believe that my students come out with a much better understanding of
what is really happening to their bodies and a better idea of where diving can
take them than students from a non-technical PADI Instructor.  My students come
out of Open Water class with an understanding of the dangers of deep air and the
benefits of mixed gas, and are certainly much better prepared to go on to
technical courses should they choose than average OW divers.

I make part of my living as a PADI Instructor.  Don't put ME or my certifying
agency down because someone who carries a PADI card chose to be stupid and do
something that is specifically frowned upon in every PADI manual.  PADI is not
causing any problems right now... Certainly nothing like over at TDI'm going to
die from deep air!  Leave PADI alone.  Get a clue.


Todd Leonard wrote:

> Roberto, it seems to me that there is a very fundamental
> difference here -- these dives were *way* outside anything
> that PADI teaches or endorses.  Contrast that with the deaths
> occurring on dives that were actually part of TDI training.
> They are not the same issues at all.
>
> Dumb diving practices are dumb regardless of one's agency
> affiliation.  But get it straight when you talk about the
> degree to which agencies are involved in promoting what's
> responsible for these completely unnecessary deaths.
>
> PADI has flaws.  Unlike TDI, teaching deep air is not one
> of them.
>
> - Todd
>
> >  The last two death are PADI's not TDI,IANTD pr PSA, but from big mama PADI.
> >  Is everyone afraid of talking about the PADI bullshitter? I am not.
> >  Are you all afraid about loosing your PADI card or what?
> >  There are, and there will be more PADI kids that think they are related to
> >  God because they went trough their IDC-IE, and a lot of them will die with
> >  deep diving. They do not want to learn, the typical answer is:
> >  <I do not want to be a student for the rest of my life...>
> >  Any "technical agency" mixed gas course is better then nothing.
> >
> >  Roberto
>
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