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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 07:49:28 -0500
From: "G. Irvine" <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: Woodville Karst Plain Project
To: Dennis JR Harding <dennish@wp*.co*.za*>
CC: "'Techdiver List'" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: IN CLOSING: TDI Training Death, 16 April 1997
Dennis, get one thing straight, you moron: I always give the information
when asked, but will be the first to tell you to kiss my ass when you
come to me with a know-it-all attitude and a dead body in your hands.
Take the coton out of your ears and put it in yoiur big mouth.

My very short asocitating with TDI was due to Gilliam mailing me
instructor cards ( which started as a joke by Jess Armentrout, and got
out of hand). I have not nor will I ever certify anyone for any kind of
diving. It was a short while later that I found out that Gilliam was
still promoting deep air diving, and that ended the associationn when I
criticized that activity by TDI. 

My review of Abyss is YEARS old, and at the time I said, "Chirs Parrrot
put his heart and sole into this one", and that still stands. What I did
not say is that ANY deco software in the hands of a blithering idiot,
like you and your pals, is USELESS. If you read on, wyou wil discover
that NOEN fo the deco programs provide the correct deco, and one must
combine models to get to that stage. EVREYONE knows this. 

My information is still the best in the business, and I bet my life on
it every time, and so does my team. I will compare out track rcord to
the rest of the world's anytime, expecially yours and the rest of your
TDI buddies.

Dennis JR Harding wrote:
> 
> Geroge wrote:
>         Dennis, you again just plain have to be kidding.
> 
> No George, just providing the facts.
> 
> You were the one asking Mike Beresford about who was making threats
>  when he wanted to ask questions.  Well I did respond to Mike's message.
> The problem was the way in which questions were being asked.  All knew
>  it was a TDI training course,  All knew who was/is the TDI director in SA -
>  is this not where questions should have been aimed at in the first place.
> 
> Well I provided the facts of the actual dive, and questions arised, which
>  I answered.  Arising were more questions and so forth.  Now some
>  of the answer that were put forward may have been against you better
>  judgement, but I have certainly learned through some of the responses
>  that I good from both Bill and Joel.  More than I can say of you - as far
>  as this subject is concerned.
> 
> Yes, we may have f@#$-up, but we have also learned, more so though
>  the questions and responses that subsequently occured.  As far as the
>  Abyss is concerned, I note a good review by you on the Abyss site, or
>  have you also parted ways with Chris like you have with TDI?  It appears
>  now that Abyss is not the software to use!
> 
> We are a very small core of divers in SA that actively dive trimix on a
regular
>  basis, if 1 or 2 trimix dives a quater can be called regular.  Then again,
look
>  at the price we pay for helium, and the fact that there is no proper medical
>  treatment available - all part of the risk that is taken.
> Also perceptions of regular and in shape differ.
> 
> We all learn from one anothers experiences, if we are prepared to share them,
>  and we have alot to learn from you and your team, but I guess now is not the
>  time or the place and your probably not the right person - maybe someone
>  else will help.
> 
> Thank you any way for all your responses.
> 
> Dennis.
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