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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:55:11 -0500
From: "G. Irvine" <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: Woodville Karst Plain Project
To: Joel Silverstein <JoelSilverstein@wo*.at*.ne*>
CC: Dennis JR Harding <dennish@wp*.co*.za*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: TDI Training Death, 16 April Questions
I agree with Joel and the guy from the UK.

I would like to kown what qualified this guy to be made a trimix
instructor in the first place? Also, I am so sick or reading horror
stories with miles of excuses and schmooze. It's real simple: the guy is
DEAD, and the usual bs is involved. 

The people who have worked with the WKPP who have shown type two dcs
have quit doing deep dives, and some have quit diving altogether.

What is wrong with you idiots? How stupid can you be? How long is this
stupidity going to go on before you wake the hell up - MOST OF YOU ARE
SO CLUELESS IT IS SCARY, AND YOU HAVE THE DEATH RECORDS TO PROVE IT.

GET THE REAL STORY OR GET OUT OF OUR SPORT - you are so misinfomed and
so ignorant that you are a danger to yourselves. How many have to die
before you stop kidding yoursleves with bs? You bs yourselves about
phsyisology, deco, gas, air, gear, safety and everything else.

Get a clue or get out of it.


Joel Silverstein wrote:
> 
> Mr. Harding,  First -- my condolences for the loss of your friend.
> 
> I do have some questions.  Why was instructor training being conducted in
> 80 msw?  It would make sense that if the people who were "candidates" had
> significant experience in tri-mix at 80 msw that most of thier "instrucotr
> training" would be done at a significantly shallower depth. Since much of
> the work needs to be object and task oriented.  My next question involves
> the statement of  <<We, the candidates decided that the last dive we
wanted
> to get closer to 100 meters (325'), and further off shore were whe should
> have better visibility.  >>>
> 
> Was this a repet dive?  Was this just a dive where "we the candidates"
> wanted to go deeper?  Had you all not been to this depth before ?  If the
> visibility was not good enough at 80 msw why even head out another 12 miles
>  for another 20 msw in the hopes of better vis?   Itmakes sens that if the
> dive was not going to be "perfect" at 80 msw it was surely not going to be
> "perfect" at 100 msw.
> 
> Next comes the chamber treatment -- You indicate he had paralysis while in
> the chamber yet they opted to take him back to the surface and then while
> unconcious they gave him another treatment the next day and he expired in
> the chamber.  Was this a plastic tube chamber only capable of 3 atm or a
> full blown multiplace chamber that can go to 10 atm capable of mixed gas
> saturation treatment for deep mixed gas blowups and AGE?
> 
> I appreciate your comments and look forward to your reply.
> 
> Joel Silverstein, NY
> 
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