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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:17:30 -0500
From: "G. Irvine" <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: Woodville Karst Plain Project
To: Greg Zambeck <gzambeck@us*.ne*>
CC: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>, "'Techdiver'" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>,
     Cavers Mailing List
Subject: Re: Diving related question about Helium.
Zambeck, I just got back from swimming, something a toilet seat like you
can't do. At first I was pissed that you would write so many insane
things , but I was in a hurry to get to the pool, and I failed to
appreaciate just how good this post of yours really is.

You are one seriously stupid guy. I mean realy, really messed up. On the
other hand, if I were to do a fake of you, this would be it, only I
could not come up with anything this nuts. I could make it funny, like
this is ( but the humor depends on knowing better, and one needs to
already know how stupid this really is), but I could not make it so
disjointed and convoluted. Maybe after a few more of your posts everyone
will be familiar enough with your material that I can send out a fake
and see if it is as funny as some of my others.

Greg, seriously, unless English is not your primary language, you are
retarded. I can not help wondering if a "combustion engineer" is the guy
who burns the trash after the "sanitation engineer" drops it off. I
thought they discontinued incinerators, but then I thought that the
things you are saying in this post were already well enough understood
that we would not be reading anything this stupid on cavers or
techdiver.

Gregg, wihtout responding to the realy stupid stuff, let me point a few
things out:

1) My track record of dives speaks for itself, as does that of my team.
What Chris Parot thinks about it is another laughing matter, like we
don't know what we are doing with deco. You do it, moron, you can
discuss it. You do it like we do, and maybe somebody will listen.

2) McGuirre would be alive today if he had been doing a WKPP dive,
becuase we have strict rules ( remember, we are the nazis) on bottle
marking and gas , and by the way, we do not do farm animal stupid things
like mark regulators, you idiot, that is the kind of thing only a stroke
like you would do.

3) I asssume responsibility for all the dives my team does, right down
to each and every person, each and every dive. Take a look at my track
record , you liar.

4) None of my friends has ever died doing a deep air dive, and I
personally stopped doing them years ago when I got helium. I stopped
using air for deco only a year ago. Unlike you and your idiot friends, I
IMMEDIATELY change bad practices when I get enlightened. IMMEDIATELY. I
have lowered my AED prgressively as I learned more, and have not
hesitated to let everyone know that, and to correct bad information. I
am not the least bit afraid of being wrong and admitting it. I am not in
the dive business, I do not give a whoop about the dive buiness, and
this is my hobby. I will freely share anything and everything I find
out.

5) What does Gilliam have to do with this? Let me guess: Tom Mount
kicked your idiotic stupid ass out of IANTD.

Gregg, let me ask you one little question. Why are you teaching diving?  

Greg Zambeck wrote:
> 
> George get a spell check first, watch your sentence spacing it's off.
> 
> Saving lives George is a good on coming from you.
> You preached so much about your 300 ft dives years ago, that three of your
> friends died on deep air dives.  Ron wasn't watching what he was doing and
> put the wrong #1 regulator on his deep Nitrox mix.  Steve Berman told me
> all about it in Akumal last week.  You didn't put that in your report of
> the accident.  Try reading the latest issue of Imersed Nitrox is less
> forgiving than air.
> 
> For a guy that used to cut his tables to a 1/3 of what the Navy tables are,
> back in 91.  I laughed when you started preaching that they were no good.
> Huggins five years ago was telling us that as many divers were getting bent
> using  tables as computer's with Buhlmann algorithm's
> 
> George "Helium is your friend", is this a male bonding thing you have
> going.  Helium comes out of solution five times faster than nitrogen.  The
> diver at whitefish Pte. Coming up from the Zilliah had a hit a 100 ft.  The
> diver off the Andrea Doria was in so much pain that he wanted someone to
> kill him.  Tell Mr. Bill that's a massive embolism from rapid
> decompression.  Not a burst lung like the one at Lake Wazee.
> 
> Helium George is a gas with properties, tell diver the pros & con's of it's
> use.  As a combustion Engineer I use the equipment for gas analysis on a
> daily basis, just like have been for the last 15 years.  The discussion of
> helium fails to look at the quality of the gas mixture that the diver is
> producing, that's why I raised the question.
> 
> George your a prim example of McCarthyism on the Internet.  You only tell a
> biased story the way you want it to sound.  As an "A - Type " personality
> why don't you start assuming some responsibility, there are no victims on
> 300 ft air dives.  They make the dives because they choose to, stop using
> Gilliam as your scape goat.
> 
> Wayzee 330 ft ice dive for 94 minutes of exposure vs. 300 ft WKPP dives
> with 15 hours of exposure.  I would love to see Chris Parret's version 2.0
> of Abyss to do a risk analysis on the above profiles.
> 
> ----------
> > From: G. Irvine <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
> > To: Greg Zambeck <gzambeck@us*.ne*>
> > Cc: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>; 'Techdiver'
> <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; Cavers Mailing List <cavers@ge*.co*>
> > Subject: Re: Diving related question about Helium.
> > Date: Tuesday, November 18, 1997 8:28 PM
> >
> > Greg, you are giving the farm animals a bad name.  Leave the blubbering
> > goobery and abject stupidity to the those who have it down cold here in
> > Florida. You are an amateur moron, we only want to hear really
> > ridiculous stuff from the ones here - they are funny, you are scary.
> >
> > Did I see some article where you were able to make the fabulous
> > achievement of diving to 330 feet in a Lake in the winter? Was that you
> > , Greg? Good work, that is a real milestone in diving, and a real
> > accomplishment - depth is everything, Greg, and if a blithering idiot
> > like you can do it with the most horrifyingly stroked out ridicule of
> > tanked bozonity that you did it with, it is certainly no mean feat.
> >
> >  Pretty work! You are a fine example of why this sport will get
> > regulated - stupidity beyond the pale, and continuous efforts by asshole
> > dive instructors, like you , who can not even conduct a simple class
> > without killing somebody ( who was emulating you , moron)  to set the
> > example for others to follow to their death.
> >
> >   If you really have a real job, go back to it and save a few lives. Get
> > out of our sport. What do you do with your mass spectrometer, count
> > Froot Loops at the Kellogg's factory?
> >
> > Greg Zambeck wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes Jim I do, I use it in my line of work.
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > > From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
> > > > To:
> > > > Cc: 'Techdiver' <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; Cavers Mailing List
> > > <cavers@ge*.co*>
> > > > Subject: Re: Diving related question about Helium.
> > > > Date: Tuesday, November 18, 1997 5:18 PM
> > > >
> > > > As you all know, the only way to make sure that your Trimix is
> breathable
> > >
> > > > is to do an use a gas spectrometer. While the O2 content can be
> analyzed
> > > > via a sensor, the only way to assure that you don't have a toxic
> level of
> > >
> > > > helium is to have either an analysis system at home or to ship out a
> > > > sample to a company.
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I use a VG Gas Analysis APEX system. My wife complains
> that
> > > > the lights dim everytime I fire that sucker up, but, hey I don't want
> to
> > > > helitox, no way baby!
> > > >
> > > > So, Greg do you use a spectrometer or a moleomatic molecule counter
> to
> > > > avoid helitox?
> > > >
> > > >   Jim
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 11/18/97 3:44 PM Greg Zambeck wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >OK gentlemen: now how good is the Trimix breathing gas analysis of
> the
> > > gas
> > > > >your breathing.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >  Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/trimix.html
> > > >
> > > >
> 
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