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Rich, guess what ? The point is that both you and I no longer dive deep
on air, and we no longer have any problems with our dives. We also do
the deco properly, and we also, except in your case, use the right
gear:). I no longer care why, and have forgotten most of the reams of
material I looked over and the beating I took to get to that point. - G

Richard Pyle wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, G. Irvine wrote:
> 
> > Rich, no need for you to be on the bandwagon, you don't dive air
> > anyway, so believe what you please.
> 
> I will always believe what I please.  But what I believe depends on a lot
> of factors, including knowing the source of a tidbit that I am told.
> Besides, just because I don't dive deep on air doesn't mean that I don't
> want to understand hyperbaric physiology.
> 
> > My Chinese reference was to bubbel
> > mehcanics, the same thing you like to use - the Chieese mathematicians
> > have a fantastic understanding of this, but this is not the subject.
> 
> O.K. -thanks for clearing that up.  I had thought you said the "Chinese"
> were the ones with the rigid RBC's.
> 
> > However, a note of correction here: the damage by the passage of the
> > rigid rbs'c sets up a sequence of events including triggering stretch
> > receptors in the vessels, releasing chemicals like nitric oxide, and
> > other reactions that set up an immune response ( stuck bubbles would do
> > the same thing, Richie, so stay off the bandwagon) that reustls in you
> > ffeeling the "flulike symptoms".
> 
> Now, I'm no chemist - but isn't this the complement system (or part of
> it, anyway)?  I agree that the fluelike symptoms an fatigue are
> likely ultimately a result of microcirculatory damage; but my experience
> tells me that these happen more in response to fast deep ascents
> (regardless of bottom gas), than to breathing high PN2.  In other words,
> a bubble-growth thing rather than a rigid RBC thing.
> 
> >  We all know that this occurs with air more easily, and we all now know
> > to do deep sotps with all gases, but then we do not dive deep air
> > anymore anyway. Those who do get the "flu". Ask the Navy, they spotted
> > it first. Good to hear from you , Richie, now shut up:).
> 
> O.K.
> 
> Rich
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