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You wrote: 
>
>OK, Esat, enogh being nice - you do now know what the f you are 
talking
>about, and until you do your first cave dive, your opinion about the
>effects of narcosis in a cave is garbage, just like your information 
on
>that stroke Suarez: the dumb f was diving air in independents on his
>back with a side bottle of trimix,the kind fof stupid shit that only 
the
>worst stroke would do, and  he was forced to go to air at 300. I 
talked
>to his dive buddy. You can continue to be a stroke, do things 
completely
>wrong, and run you big mouth , but you do not have the fist clue about
>diving - not the first dingle tiny little clue, and this makes you a
>dangerous, irresponsible  stroke when you are suggesting that a old 
fat
>guy like you can "hangdle" deep air, so everyone else should do it -
>that is bullshit, pal, and you are an iresponsible asshole for
>suggesting it. Why is it that guys like me who are in the condition of 
a
>competitive athelete and do dives beyond any capability you ever had,
>don't do the stupid, asinine things you do? Why is it that somebody of
>my ability does it right, and a dillatante like you has to continue to
>ingore reality and pretend there is some ability to operate inpaired?
>
>   The proof is ovbious and has been around for ever. Next time you 
say
>something this stupid, strip the PhD of of your signatue, or people 
will
>think you got it in the mail, along with a TDI deep air card. Yo 
really
>need to take a look at what yo are doing, what yo are saying, and what
>influence yo uare having - this is seroius, people are dying, and you
>are a conttiubting factor. I can't handle deep air, so what makes you
>think a fat old slob like you can?
>
>

Not very nice George :->

I don't C any initials after my name.
I avoid argumentun ad homineum
I don't teach deep air or advocate it
I just like that facts be set out & discussed from all possible aspects

Now if we are going to get scurrilous & not face the facts, but sling 
feces w/o a basis, then there really is no reason to continue the 
discussion.

It is disappointing, nay disgusting that anytime there is a 
counterpoint, discussion ceases and it becomes name calling, a tyrade.

The fact remains - advocating heliox at the 140-160 range may not have 
the broadest application in scuba diving.  It is possible that given 
the special circumstances that cave divers deal with tere may be 
grounds to prefer it and require that all participants be trained such. 

However one has to truly demonstrate the need for it in any other 
environment.  

Is it possible that your tenets may not extrapolate to other 
environments w/o modification?

I think you should think about that.
Incidentally, don't worry about being nice - we old guys can handle it

C U @ sushi.

Esat Atikkan



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