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Esat, I wish I had heliox - I would use it - the only thing that I EVER
agreed with Bill Stone on. This subject is too important for
irresponsilbe suggestion. Too many deaths, Esat, so something is wrong
here. Cave makes it easy to see. As for sushi, I don't ask any questions
about parasitees, etc, because I like sushi - just like you like air and
are not asking any questions, a bad sign coming from a brilliant
scientist, but then you eat sushi , too, and we both know better.

EE Atikkan wrote:
> 
> You wrote:
> >
> >OK, Esat, enogh being nice - you do now know what the f you are
> talking
> >about, and until you do your first cave dive, your opinion about the
> >effects of narcosis in a cave is garbage, just like your information
> on
> >that stroke Suarez: the dumb f was diving air in independents on his
> >back with a side bottle of trimix,the kind fof stupid shit that only
> the
> >worst stroke would do, and  he was forced to go to air at 300. I
> talked
> >to his dive buddy. You can continue to be a stroke, do things
> completely
> >wrong, and run you big mouth , but you do not have the fist clue about
> >diving - not the first dingle tiny little clue, and this makes you a
> >dangerous, irresponsible  stroke when you are suggesting that a old
> fat
> >guy like you can "hangdle" deep air, so everyone else should do it -
> >that is bullshit, pal, and you are an iresponsible asshole for
> >suggesting it. Why is it that guys like me who are in the condition of
> a
> >competitive athelete and do dives beyond any capability you ever had,
> >don't do the stupid, asinine things you do? Why is it that somebody of
> >my ability does it right, and a dillatante like you has to continue to
> >ingore reality and pretend there is some ability to operate inpaired?
> >
> >   The proof is ovbious and has been around for ever. Next time you
> say
> >something this stupid, strip the PhD of of your signatue, or people
> will
> >think you got it in the mail, along with a TDI deep air card. Yo
> really
> >need to take a look at what yo are doing, what yo are saying, and what
> >influence yo uare having - this is seroius, people are dying, and you
> >are a conttiubting factor. I can't handle deep air, so what makes you
> >think a fat old slob like you can?
> >
> >
> 
> Not very nice George :->
> 
> I don't C any initials after my name.
> I avoid argumentun ad homineum
> I don't teach deep air or advocate it
> I just like that facts be set out & discussed from all possible aspects
> 
> Now if we are going to get scurrilous & not face the facts, but sling
> feces w/o a basis, then there really is no reason to continue the
> discussion.
> 
> It is disappointing, nay disgusting that anytime there is a
> counterpoint, discussion ceases and it becomes name calling, a tyrade.
> 
> The fact remains - advocating heliox at the 140-160 range may not have
> the broadest application in scuba diving.  It is possible that given
> the special circumstances that cave divers deal with tere may be
> grounds to prefer it and require that all participants be trained such.
> 
> However one has to truly demonstrate the need for it in any other
> environment.
> 
> Is it possible that your tenets may not extrapolate to other
> environments w/o modification?
> 
> I think you should think about that.
> Incidentally, don't worry about being nice - we old guys can handle it
> 
> C U @ sushi.
> 
> Esat Atikkan
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