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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:15:39 -0500 (CDT)
From: atikkan@ix*.ne*.co* (EE Atikkan )
Subject: Re: Deep Air - still need to look @ facts
To: gmirvine@sa*.ne*
Cc: cavers@ge*.co*
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
You wrote: 
>
>Yes, but we both agree that not performing the high risk behavior in 
the
>first place would solve the problem.
>

Yes but we must first define exactly what we are dealing w/.

Back to the communal needle issue:

1.  Drug use is risky

2.  All practices to reduce secondary risks (disease, financial, 
criminal record) are worthwhile but does not reduce risks ascribable to 
use.  However, it in itself does not cause a terminal disease (though 
it may produce a terminal accident)


2.  As a secondary risk we have terminal disease via the HIV route, 
ascribed to drug use, not because of drug use per se, but the practices 
of drug users.

That risk, w/o changes in the risks associated w/ drug use per se, 
becomes nul if disposable needles are used, needles R sterilized or if 
communal needle use occurs only among disease free individuals.
Thus communal needle use that does not fit the above 3 criteria (& 
possibly a # of salvatory practices) introduces a second risk, totally 
independent of that of drug use.  That is even: if disease bearing 
diabetics were using communal needle users to administer their 
prescribed insulin, they still run the risk of cross infectio & 
terminal disease risk.  They run none of the risks associated w/ drug 
use.

That is how analyses need be carried out.

We have evidence that N2 is narcotic.  We assume that narcosis becomes 
an issue for many at depths beyond, say, 100 ft, w/ a number of 
contributory factors.  CO2 appears to be the prime synergistic factor.
Thus was it air or air compounded by some factor that potentiaties the 
narcotic effect.  At its extreme, if the air is contaminated and an 
accident occurs, do we ascribe the accident to the gas or the 
contamination?  Obviously the latter.

We also have adequate evidence to infer that narcosis habituation does 
not occur, though copeabilty does increase w/ repetitive exposure. 

I am aware of all of this (U may have guessed that :->).

We also have the issue of oxtox.  Again contributory factors are well 
documented, as are personal sensitivities.  

But just because an accident occurs @ 140 on air does not de facto 
indite 'deep air'.  It definitely should B a factor to be considered.  
It may be aprt of the equation, but was it the only contributor?

Regards

Esat Atikkan


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