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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:27:09 -0400
From: "G. Irvine" <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: Woodville Karst Plain Project
To: nhbarger@er*.co*
CC: wwm@sa*.ne*, Underwater Outfitters <u_wotfrs@ix*.ne*.co*>,
     techdiver@aquanaut.com, jpost@ke*.ne*
Subject: Re: Bent diver at Whitefish Point
"Nelson" - do not ever send anything this stupid to my mailbox again.
You guys are full of excuses when the problem is you have no business
diving at all with your lack of forethought, your lack of logistic
comprehension, and your clear and obvious lack of undrstanding of
anything to do with water and diving. This is the kind of crap we hear
out of the "know when to leave yor buddy" crowd.

 All we do is open water diving with a little cave diving once in a
while. All we do is spend time on the ocean, in what is called the
"Devil's Triangle", and an attitude like yours would be a death
sentence.

 Let me ask you one question, Einstein, how the hell do you think all of
those wrecks you are diving go on the bottom of the lake? Answer, from
asshole thinking and planning just like yours. How do you think 900 foot
ore bats can't get from Canado to the US on a given day? You don't leave
people at sea, numnuts, you use rule number one and avoid charlie
foxtrots , and you plan things properly so the personal preferencee
weenies and fat bearded slobs are back at the dock on dry land where
they belong, not screwing up a dive and putting everyone at risk.

 Take up golf, and never send me anything as assinine as what it written
below - you are defining what we call a "stroke", and what you wrote
here is stroke thinking - the kind we avoid under rule number one. 

 I can not believe you morons even talked to the "auxilliary" Coast
Guard. This is the wrost collection of make believe dress-up-like-a-
sailor clowns outside of the "Village People". This reminds me of that
skit on the old Saturday Night Live with John Belushi as captain of the
"Raging Queen". Let me ask you something, did these Men In Uniform ask
you to walk the plank, or did they perform a "short arm inspection" on
you? Did you salute them and say "Aye, Aye , Sir"? 

 Again, I anm not on techdiver - do not copy me with anything like this
again, and the guy you are asking about his diving not only has been
done what you strokes call "tec" diving for over twenty years, he is the
Science Director of WKPP , a biomedical engineer, and I have seen him
correctly diagnose and respond to diving emergenies that you weenies
have yet to ever ever encounter. If you strokes want to get condecending
in response to an inquiry into your own abject stupidity in the face of
a multiple charlie foxtrot that was self-inflicted, you need to do it on
Rec scuba where people with similar knowledge of tbe sport can
sympathize with your level of incompetence.


--

The Stroke wrote: 
ell...have you done much ocean diving lately?  Not everybody can enter
> the water at the same time = varied out of water times.  Based on air
> consumption bottom times and total times vary = varied out of water
> times.  Some people do shorter dives because they get cold at temps of
> high 40's or low 50's = varied out of water times.  Longer decompression
> does not equal a wrong profile.  I would rather be left in the water to
> finish decompression with adequate forewarning and surface support and
> give an injured diver a better chance at recovery vice placing myself at
> risk or placing another at greater risk.
> There may be situations where leaving a diver is a less than optimal
> choice or not a viable option at all but this was not one of them.
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