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From: "Ted Green" <scuba@md*.co*>
To: "cavers@ge*.co*" <cavers@ge*.co*>,
     "techdiver@aquanaut.com" ,
     Jim Cobb
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:09:31 +0000
Subject: RE: Need For REAL Training Agency

        Jim,
          As an expert, why don't you explain why you wouldn't teach 
"gas management" and "self rescue" until your in a trimix class. Are 
you trying to say that gas management isn't important on a 
decompression air dive?
     I can already hear you wine, when you fail the class because the 
two other people in the class were better than you and you were the 
bottom 30% of the class that was supposed to fail.
     Of course it's more likely George Irvine will kiss Tom Mount's ass, 
than you will get off  $1,000 for a course!
     Tell me mister expert, how many more divers would die each year 
because they were to cheap to take the $1,000 course and figured they 
would learn how to do it from a video and a bunch of "techdiver 
posts"?
                Ted

> From:          Jim Cobb <cobber@mi*.co*>

> Nobody has said a thing about makeing a faster, less demanding and less 
> risky program. Those are already available with NAUI, TDI, PADI, IANDT, 
> ANDI, etc. On the contrary, I think people would agree that the courses 
> should be long, hard and expensive. Personally I think there should be 2 
> steps-
> 
> 1- Oxygen diver. A 40 hour course covering nitrox, theory, self rescue 
> and staged decom with full redundant hogarth hardware. You would need 100 
> >80' dives as a prerequisite. 20 dives in crappy conditions required to 
> receive your card. Cost of course- $1000, including the stinking manuals. 
> And minimum attrition rate of 30% would be expected, even desired.
> 
> 2- Helium diver. A 40 hour course covering helium and staged decom, 
> mixing, gas management, theory, self rescue, medicine. 20 no-BS dives 
> required for card. Cost of course- $1000, including the stinking manuals. 
> Attrition rates of up to 50% is desirable.
> 
> Of course there can be specialty classes (after all, instructors have to 
> eat) for cave, recovery, etc. Whatever the instructor can dream up. 
> Notice how there are no depths on these courses. Depths would be 
> determined by END,  local condtions and equipment. Why pull arbitrary 
> depths out of your ass?
> 
> What you would have is a card you can be proud off and the skills 
> necessary to dive anywhere on planet earth.
> 
> 
>   Jim
> 
Ted Green (owner)                
Tidewater Aquatics (Dive Store)  
Salisbury Maryland USA
TDI IT #029
SSI MI #178

The world contains but three types of people:
            1. Those who make things happen.
            2. Those who watch things happen.
            3. Those who wonder what happened.
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