Listen up people,
If you think diving at the technical level can be learned by simply =
taking a single course that covers all, then you must of skipped middle =
school and the high school stuff and went straight to the college of =
fools. This list is full of strokes and posts by jerks that insist that =
there is too many programs offered by too many agencies.
Go ahead and start up an Agency so you can teach a faster, less =
demanding and less risky program so that the student never learns a damn =
thing about narcosis management and is just plain stupid about the =
relationship between po2 levels and time of exposure at various work =
loads, the use of full face mask for in water deco, and I could go on =
but why.
At least IANTD was the first to offer the world a means by which a diver =
could select a road to follow, a way to learn and experience what it =
takes to dive beyond the ordinary recreational format. Respect for =
safety is not forsaken but drilled into each and every stress management =
skill until reaction to life threatening situations are instinctive and =
effective. It's about preferences. You the diver decide how much =
training you need. Don't think for a minute that I don't see so called =
"Extended Range" divers that simply dive their bleeping computers into a =
state of total lock up and are afraid to surface because they haven't =
got a clue how long they were down, how deep they were, what mix they're =
getting low on at the time, how much deco they have already completed, =
(you get the idea).
When they climb out 30 minutes to an hour after the well trained divers =
that used an accelerated table all they say is "sorry". I think of that =
as a character reference that I would rather see expressed as Dork or =
Stroke.
There is no substitute for the pathways of training that provide the =
necessary steps to enable a diver to enjoy and respect diving in deeper =
and more demanding situations.
Semper Deep,
Capt. Jim Mims
IANTD/ BOA=20
www.oceandiving.com=20

-----Original Message-----
From:	Diethard Wagner - Telekurs Finanz AG - FLCQ =
[SMTP:tkwae@fi*.te*.ch*]
Sent:	Thursday, September 04, 1997 1:51 AM
To:	cavers@ge*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com; JOHNTODDJT@ao*.co*
Subject:	Re: Need For REAL Training Agency

>=20
>=20
>   It is pretty clear from the constant sream of stupidity out of IANTD =
and
> TDI, and the death toll out of the deep air idiots that we need a new =
agency

Wait a minute !

Until Rob Palmer (Technical director of TDI-Europe) died,we here
in Europe had different standards from the one in the US and
Asia.This standards were worked out by Rob,to meet the different=20
needs of european divers (and not to look like PADI)

We had (have) a course structure exactly whats recommended and wanted on =
the
list:

ONE NITROX COURSE: =20
  covers all NTX mixes up to 80 % incl the whole physiology=20
  of CNS,OTUs,EAD,......
  Single Tank dives,Recreational equipment
  NoDeco Dives=20
                 =20
ONE EXTENDED RANGE COURSE: (and NOT Deep air !!!!!!!!!!)
  The main goal of this course is to plan deco-dives with decoing on a
  different gas for acceleration and, which is the most important
  point, to get used to the additional hardware to carry and to handle
  (doubles,sling tanks,rigging,lift bags,reels....)
  Most of the training dives are conducted in 10 to 20 Meters
  The minimum depth for this course is (130ft) 40 Meters,the absolute =
maximum
  is (170 ft) 54 Meters (PPO2=3D1.4 for air)=20
  The maximum depth is controlled by the student.HE decides how deep he =
wants
  to go !
 =20
ONE TRIMIX COURSE:

  Covers ALL Trimix aspects,minimum depth is 60 Meters (200 ft),maximum
  is 80 Meters (260 ft);again max-depth is controlled by student.

Afterwards a optional 100 Meter(320 ft) jump is offered .  =20

Unfortunatly Rob is not any longer with us and the new HQ for Europe
in Aberdeen will take /has taken over the US-Rules,which look like a =
PADI and
IANTD structure.
(3 nitrox steps,2 air steps,one TMX step =3D 6 courses,which is only
money-making bullshit) =20

TDI-EUROPE was on the right track,but..........

regards

Didi
(Zurich - TDI-Switzerland)

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