Jimmy, there is something wrong with yor mailer - it is not wrapping
the lines, and your post came out as one big line. By the way, I have
never taken any "tech" diving course, and if I still do not understand
what "nacosis management" is, why I would need to manage something I
have no intention of doing ( if such an thing did exist, which it does
not), or why this is such an important thing for all of you guys.

 Just as suggestion for you: since most dive operators are used to
running 50 -60 miles to dive dogshit rust buckets in ten foot freezing
viz, I can not understand why you don't load up the trimix and start
running the 50 miles to the Bahama Banks and run some deep wall trips
where something really interesting can get done, and we can see how
clever the current level of tech instruction is out there in an
environment where being a stroke gets is true reward.

 Listen, Jimmy, I am sure you would not mind if I showed up shitfaced
for a thirty foot dive, since you seem to think that it is ok to do a
200 footer that way. Explain that to me, and I will drive up there and
kiss your ass at lunchtime, and sign up for a "deep air" course.

 
Ocean Diving Inc. wrote:
> 
> Listen up people,
> If you think diving at the technical level can be learned by simply taking a
single course that covers all, then you must of skipped middle school and the
high school stuff and went straight to the college of fools. This list is full
of strokes and posts by jerks that insist that there is too many programs
offered by too many agencies.
> Go ahead and start up an Agency so you can teach a faster, less demanding and
less risky program so that the student never learns a damn thing about narcosis
management and is just plain stupid about the relationship between po2 levels
and time of exposure at various work loads, the use of full face mask for in
water deco, and I could go on but why.
> 
> When they climb out 30 minutes to an hour after the well trained divers that
used an accelerated table all they say is "sorry". I think of that as a
character reference that I would rather see expressed as Dork or Stroke.
> There is no substitute for the pathways of training that provide the
necessary steps to enable a diver to enjoy and respect diving in deeper and
more demanding situations.
> Semper Deep,
> Capt. Jim Mims
> IANTD/ BOA
> www.oceandiving.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:   Diethard Wagner - Telekurs Finanz AG - FLCQ [SMTP:tkwae@fi*.te*.ch*]
> Sent:   Thursday, September 04, 1997 1:51 AM
> To:     cavers@ge*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com; JOHNTODDJT@ao*.co*
> Subject:        Re: Need For REAL Training Agency
> 
> >
> >
> >   It is pretty clear from the constant sream of stupidity out of IANTD and
> > TDI, and the death toll out of the deep air idiots that we need a new agency
> 
> Wait a minute !
> 
> Until Rob Palmer (Technical director of TDI-Europe) died,we here
> in Europe had different standards from the one in the US and
> Asia.This standards were worked out by Rob,to meet the different
> needs of european divers (and not to look like PADI)
> 
> We had (have) a course structure exactly whats recommended and wanted on the
> list:
> 
> ONE NITROX COURSE:
>   covers all NTX mixes up to 80 % incl the whole physiology
>   of CNS,OTUs,EAD,......
>   Single Tank dives,Recreational equipment
>   NoDeco Dives
> 
> ONE EXTENDED RANGE COURSE: (and NOT Deep air !!!!!!!!!!)
>   The main goal of this course is to plan deco-dives with decoing on a
>   different gas for acceleration and, which is the most important
>   point, to get used to the additional hardware to carry and to handle
>   (doubles,sling tanks,rigging,lift bags,reels....)
>   Most of the training dives are conducted in 10 to 20 Meters
>   The minimum depth for this course is (130ft) 40 Meters,the absolute maximum
>   is (170 ft) 54 Meters (PPO2=1.4 for air)
>   The maximum depth is controlled by the student.HE decides how deep he wants
>   to go !
> 
> ONE TRIMIX COURSE:
> 
>   Covers ALL Trimix aspects,minimum depth is 60 Meters (200 ft),maximum
>   is 80 Meters (260 ft);again max-depth is controlled by student.
> 
> Afterwards a optional 100 Meter(320 ft) jump is offered .
> 
> Unfortunatly Rob is not any longer with us and the new HQ for Europe
> in Aberdeen will take /has taken over the US-Rules,which look like a PADI and
> IANTD structure.
> (3 nitrox steps,2 air steps,one TMX step = 6 courses,which is only
> money-making bullshit)
> 
> TDI-EUROPE was on the right track,but..........
> 
> regards
> 
> Didi
> (Zurich - TDI-Switzerland)
> 
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