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Subject: Fwd: RE: TO BE HOGARTHIAN OR NOT BE HOGARTHIAN, OR TO SIMPLY....
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 97 08:55:53 -0400
From: Jim Cobb <cobber@mi*.co*>
To: "Tech Diver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>,
     "Cavers Mailing List"
You're not makeing the least bit of sense.  Like I said 
overandoverandover, I don't give a shit how you equip yourself. But to 
get on a public forum and trash a system you don't understand and call 
all it's enthusiasts a bunch of KKK members makes me question your 
motives and, judging from your incomprehensible posts, your sanity.

I advise you get out of diving before you kill yourself.



On 8/20/97 2:55 AM Garry Gillette wrote:

>So far, I have not conveyed one aspect of my configuration & I certainly 
>have 
>not advocated using my configuration. How come you know so much about how I 
>configure & what gear I use? I don't use independents, helmet or any of the 
>other crap. Your system and mine are probably very much the same except 
>for a 
>few minor differences.
>i) I wear 4. Yes 4 D rings on my chest. One for each reg and one for each 
>stage. I find it reduces the clutter. What's wrong with that?
>ii) I don't use a bit of crappy rope secured by one hose clamp on my 
>stages. I 
>use two clamps and D rings. This doesn't wear and break like the rope. 
>What's 
>wrong with that?
>iii) I don't run my hose under my light and around my neck. It's bungied to 
>the side of my "manifolded twins" & run under my right arm. A terrible sin I 
>know but again what's wrong with that.
>
>Your not going to convince me or any other level headed diver that this 
>deviation from purist principles makes anybody a liability. I reiterate 
>what I 
>said before. Would you call Bill Main all the names you mention for 
>deviating 
>from the norm in the first instance? You are the perfect example of the name 
>calling, tunnel vision purist I am referring to in my first post.
>
>You're not just a hard headed mother as you put it. I seems you are more 
>of an 
>empty headed foul mouthed mother. You obviously have not read or 
>comprehended 
>a thing I have said. I am not canning or laughing at the system at all. You 
>simply make it up as you go and enjoy the sound of your own rhetoric. 
>
>If you and all these other fools are so one eyed and egotistical as to 
>believe 
>you are the only person on the planet who has it right, then pity help you. 
>Not only in your diving but life in general. Truth be known, if you were all 
>lined up together in your gear and we played spot the difference, not one 
>would be configured exactly the same. Put your verbose emotions aside and 
>let 
>your commonsense prevail and maybe then you can agree or disagree on a 
>rational basis.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Jim Cobb 
>Sent:	Wednesday, 20 August 1997 11:07
>To:	Garry Gillette
>Subject:	RE: TO BE HOGARTHIAN OR NOT BE HOGARTHIAN, OR TO SIMPLY....
>
>No, YOU miss the point. Every person I know who has tried hogarth 
>stumbled into it half-assed, including me. When you try the system, you 
>think, naaaaa, I want my light canister over here. Then your long hose 
>get out of hand. So you tuck it in. Then you try to hang the light around 
>your neck, the cord gets tangled. Suddenly the fucking light bulb come 
>on, and you realize theres a REASON to put the damn thing on the right.
>
>Bits and pieces, misspent money, fucked up dives. I am a hard-headed 
>mother, and what did I wind up doing? Reading up on it and finally doing 
>it right. People go hogarth because they are a) overpowered by the logic 
>of the system, b) are overwhelmed by the improvement in their dives.
>
> So, I guess the point of your message is to laugh at a proven superior 
>system. I hope you got your jollies. And you can dive any way you want, I 
>won't give a shit, but I resent being called a KKK member, you stupid, 
>half-assed pussy. I see that you took this private, you sissy fagot, 
>whats the matter, can't stand the heat, motherfucker?
>
>I would like to see you take a martial arts class, and tell the sensei 
>that "naaaa, I don't wanna do it that way, I saw the ninja turtles the 
>other night, and I think I'll do it THIS way". He'd kick your scrawny 
>little worthless ass and throw you out of the fucking class.
>
>So go ahead, dive your mls, superwings, transpac, helmet, independent 
>doubles. Say "HI" to Parker and Palmer for me.
>
>
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