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Subject: Fwd: RE: TO BE HOGARTHIAN OR NOT BE HOGARTHIAN, OR TO SIMPLY....
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 97 08:55:17 -0400
From: Jim Cobb <cobber@mi*.co*>
To: "Tech Diver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>,
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Date:        08/20  2:55 AM
Received:    08/20  8:22 AM
From:        Garry Gillette, Gillette_GJ@ms*.co*
To:          Jim Cobb, cobber@mi*.co*

So far, I have not conveyed one aspect of my configuration & I certainly 
have 
not advocated using my configuration. How come you know so much about how 
I 
configure & what gear I use? I don't use independents, helmet or any of 
the 
other crap. Your system and mine are probably very much the same except 
for a 
few minor differences.
i) I wear 4. Yes 4 D rings on my chest. One for each reg and one for each 
stage. I find it reduces the clutter. What's wrong with that?
ii) I don't use a bit of crappy rope secured by one hose clamp on my 
stages. I 
use two clamps and D rings. This doesn't wear and break like the rope. 
What's 
wrong with that?
iii) I don't run my hose under my light and around my neck. It's bungied 
to 
the side of my "manifolded twins" & run under my right arm. A terrible 
sin I 
know but again what's wrong with that.

Your not going to convince me or any other level headed diver that this 
deviation from purist principles makes anybody a liability. I reiterate 
what I 
said before. Would you call Bill Main all the names you mention for 
deviating 
from the norm in the first instance? You are the perfect example of the 
name 
calling, tunnel vision purist I am referring to in my first post.

You're not just a hard headed mother as you put it. I seems you are more 
of an 
empty headed foul mouthed mother. You obviously have not read or 
comprehended 
a thing I have said. I am not canning or laughing at the system at all. 
You 
simply make it up as you go and enjoy the sound of your own rhetoric. 

If you and all these other fools are so one eyed and egotistical as to 
believe 
you are the only person on the planet who has it right, then pity help 
you. 
Not only in your diving but life in general. Truth be known, if you were 
all 
lined up together in your gear and we played spot the difference, not one 
would be configured exactly the same. Put your verbose emotions aside and 
let 
your commonsense prevail and maybe then you can agree or disagree on a 
rational basis.

-----Original Message-----
From:	Jim Cobb 
Sent:	Wednesday, 20 August 1997 11:07
To:	Garry Gillette
Subject:	RE: TO BE HOGARTHIAN OR NOT BE HOGARTHIAN, OR TO SIMPLY....

No, YOU miss the point. Every person I know who has tried hogarth 
stumbled into it half-assed, including me. When you try the system, you 
think, naaaaa, I want my light canister over here. Then your long hose 
get out of hand. So you tuck it in. Then you try to hang the light around 
your neck, the cord gets tangled. Suddenly the fucking light bulb come 
on, and you realize theres a REASON to put the damn thing on the right.

Bits and pieces, misspent money, fucked up dives. I am a hard-headed 
mother, and what did I wind up doing? Reading up on it and finally doing 
it right. People go hogarth because they are a) overpowered by the logic 
of the system, b) are overwhelmed by the improvement in their dives.

 So, I guess the point of your message is to laugh at a proven superior 
system. I hope you got your jollies. And you can dive any way you want, I 
won't give a shit, but I resent being called a KKK member, you stupid, 
half-assed pussy. I see that you took this private, you sissy fagot, 
whats the matter, can't stand the heat, motherfucker?

I would like to see you take a martial arts class, and tell the sensei 
that "naaaa, I don't wanna do it that way, I saw the ninja turtles the 
other night, and I think I'll do it THIS way". He'd kick your scrawny 
little worthless ass and throw you out of the fucking class.

So go ahead, dive your mls, superwings, transpac, helmet, independent 
doubles. Say "HI" to Parker and Palmer for me.



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