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From: Todd Leonard <toddl@in*.co*>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:16:29 -0400 (EDT)
To: Gillette_GJ@ms*.co*
Subject: Re: TO BE HOGARTHIAN OR NOT BE HOGARTHIAN, OR TO SIMPLY....
Cc: cavers@ge*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
> From Gillette_GJ@ms*.co*  Tue Aug 19 06:19:43 1997
> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 97 02:34:41 UT
> From: "Garry Gillette" <Gillette_GJ@ms*.co*>
> To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> Cc: cavers@ge*.co*
> Subject: TO BE HOGARTHIAN OR NOT BE HOGARTHIAN, OR TO SIMPLY....
>
> To be Hogarthian or not to be Hogarthian  or to wear this principle as a badge
> of honour as you would a "Click" jacket or a Hells Angel's tattoo, to simply
> impress piers and gain access to the cave diving fraternity social set?

This is a nice opening paragraph... it really sets the stage for
a well-reasoned and informative position.

> The Hogarthian principle is a very sound one and one of its' greatest
> achievements is that it makes people think and think very hard about their
> gear configuration. For this reason alone it is worth its' weight in gold and
> Bill Main should be commended. The basic principle of "keep it simple", "less
> is best" or "only take what you need" is as stated very sound , but some
> people seem to be bordering on fanaticism. I was reading a webb page the other
> day and the author was rabbiting on about dropping the one inch "D" ring on
> his crotch strap as he never uses a scooter and it was therefore totally
> superfluous. Presumably because of its' unwieldy weight and extreme high
> profile drag.

I suspect you mean my web page here... It's true -- I have no need
for a front D-ring, and therefore I don't take one with me on the 
dive.  I have plenty of spares in my toolbox, so if the need arises
I will plan accordingly and spend a minute to add it to my harness.  

Unless you are claiming there is some need I've overlooked, then
clearly it is better to not have it than to have it.  How much 
better?  It doesn't matter.  It doesn't matter at all.  If you
don't understand why, then I'm afraid you just don't understand
the underlying principles.

I would have a little trouble applying the word "fanatic" to someone 
who *didn't* do something there would be no benefit from doing.  Can
you give me a hand with this logic?  Why be wrong when it's easier
to be right?

> "You must wear a light canister to your right, on your waist belt"
> "You must wrap a long hose under this canister and around your neck AND breath
> from it"
> "You must donate this hose and reg to your out of air buddy"
>
> Rather dogmatic and inflexible if you ask me. Try doing that with say a Dive
> Rite twin pack MLS light canister and a couple of stage tanks in your lounge
> room and then have your wife run up and grab the reg out of your gob and see
> what happens. Half an hour later, when you finally untangle yourself, think
> about how it would have ended up under water. Throw in a silt out for good
> measure.

This "you must" business is a fabrication of yours.  Each point is 
done for a reason, and most Hogarthian divers will gladly tell you 
exactly why if you haven't already acted like you're a lost cause.

> [more of the troll deleted]

This is getting boring.  

- Todd

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