You stupid moron. Do you know what a "system" is? Do you understand the 
concept of interrelating parts? Can you grasp the theory that there is a 
reason for a configuration? I realize the Scuba is the sport of anecdotal 
evidence, where people blindly follow stupid rules which have no basis in 
fact. But with a hogarth setup, the positioning of each part can be 
justified. While no one can justify 40% or 130', which I'm sure you 
follow in lockstep without question, hogarth falls apart quickly with 
"personal preference" bullshit.

By the way, you can dive anyfuckingway you want, nobody is stopping you, 
whatsthematter, feeling guilty or something? Why don't you start the 
"gillettian" system where you shove your long hose up your ass and you 
helmet mount DR MLS battery and all? I'm sure you would attract hordes of 
followers, judging from half the assholes on these lists. Or you could 
just shutthefuckup. Nice troll, BTW.

   Jim

On 8/18/97 10:34 PM Garry Gillette wrote:

>To be Hogarthian or not to be Hogarthian  or to wear this principle as a 
>badge 
>of honour as you would a "Click" jacket or a Hells Angel's tattoo, to simply 
>impress piers and gain access to the cave diving fraternity social set?
>
>The Hogarthian principle is a very sound one and one of its' greatest 
>achievements is that it makes people think and think very hard about their 
>gear configuration. For this reason alone it is worth its' weight in gold 
>and 
>Bill Main should be commended. The basic principle of "keep it simple", 
>"less 
>is best" or "only take what you need" is as stated very sound , but some 
>people seem to be bordering on fanaticism. I was reading a webb page the 
>other 
>day and the author was rabbiting on about dropping the one inch "D" ring on 
>his crotch strap as he never uses a scooter and it was therefore totally 
>superfluous. Presumably because of its' unwieldy weight and extreme high 
>profile drag.
>
>"You must wear a light canister to your right, on your waist belt"
>"You must wrap a long hose under this canister and around your neck AND 
>breath 
>from it"
>"You must donate this hose and reg to your out of air buddy"
>
>Rather dogmatic and inflexible if you ask me. Try doing that with say a Dive 
>Rite twin pack MLS light canister and a couple of stage tanks in your lounge 
>room and then have your wife run up and grab the reg out of your gob and see 
>what happens. Half an hour later, when you finally untangle yourself, think 
>about how it would have ended up under water. Throw in a silt out for good 
>measure.
>
>	"You cannot stuff your long hose under a bungie between your twin pack or 
>on 
>the side of your tank otherwise you are a "stroke"."
>
>Well you can stuff it anywhere you like, including up your arse, if that 
>happens to be the most logical, convenient, efficient and practical place 
>for 
>it given the type of dive and the package you are wearing. My point is 
>that we 
>seem to be losing sight of the fact that we have to be adaptable and be 
>prepared to adapt to circumstances and conditions. If by adapting we improve 
>our overall functionality and efficiency then is that not the whole point of 
>thinking about configuration? After all, isn't that what Bill Main was 
>actually doing when he designed this type of configuration and the 
>principles 
>behind it in the first place? He was deviating from accepted principles of 
>configuration.
>
>According to the WKPP, one of the most extreme and dogmatic of all 
>proponents 
>of Hogarthism, if you deviate whatsoever from the purists (their) way, you 
>are 
>a stroke.
>
>	"Do not dive with a stroke"
>	"Do not listen to a stroke"
>
>This sounds a bit like the KKK only instead of talking about Blacks and 
>Jews, 
>they are talking about non purist Hogarthians. Ever wondered what the "W" in 
>WKPP stands for? It stands for Wanker. A Wanker is the same as a Stroke 
>except 
>he uses his right hand to do it with.
>
>I even read an article by one of these guys stating that everybody should be 
>wary and avoid like the plague anybody using independents. Moreover, never 
>dive with them because they will kill you. Really?
>
>I agree with and practice Hogarthian configuration. I agree with and 
>practice 
>Hogarthian principles. I do not agree with nor practice the inflexible, 
>dogmatic, discriminatory, hang shit on anyone who does not conform 
>attitude of 
>some purists. I am a proponent of taking what is proven and best and 
>refining 
>it and adapting it for ME, for MY safety, for MY circumstances and for MY 
>comfort.
>
>I'll bet that stirs a few hornets or is there a few out there of like 
>mind? I 
>would enjoy a discussion as I may learn a little or a lot. I might even see 
>the error of my ways or maybe I wont.
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