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Jim, I think we have some common ground here so try to understand what I'm saying. The O2 cleaning BS is just that BS!! However it is a requirment the government and insurance companies stick us with. I comply out of respect for the shop owners business. I will do NOTHING to harm his business!!! It is not my store or my insurance. =20 The "FACT"? that Oxygen reacts with sand was exactly my point. The point is not weather O2 cleaning is efective. The Fact is in a store setting it is the law. Unless someone is willing to site the aplicable law to the contray I (and many others) will comply with the law. I don't have to like it I just have to live with it. There are MANY laws I don't agree with. But I do try to comply anyway I do KICK & SCREEM!!! But I don't kick the store owner that has been good to me over the years just because HE must comply with some BS regulation he can't control!! At 09:02 AM 8/7/97 -0400, you wrote: >On 8/6/97 11:32 PM Bill Bott wrote: > >>Jim, >> >>I'm not about to argue that most of what is required at a dive shop is BS. >>Nor will I stand in this forum and make doomsday predictions for those who >>don't follow any recommendation for Oxygen handling or storage. I'm sure >>George has done more fills than I have and never had an accident. And= more >>than likely never will. However, what others do is not my problem anyway! >> >>What I am saying is that I fill in a dive shop. To meet insurance and= OSHA >>requirements I will continue to require a certain MINAMUM level of >>compliance. End of story!!! > >Fine. Go for it. Let everyone know where your shop is so we can avoid it at all costs. > >>I ask nothing of anyone else that I don=EDt do myself. There are NO= double >>standards. There are NO exceptions!!! I spelled it out before but here= it >>is again : >> >>1) You must be certified for the gas requested >> >>2) The tanks must be current for both Visual and Hydro >> >>3) If Oxygen is to be added they must comply with ONE OR MORE agencies >>standards (To put it bluntly the tank must be stickered for Oxygen service >>within the last 12 months). >> >>4) If tanks are filled with a gas other than air the customer MUST= analyze >>the tanks and sign a waver stating the FO2 and MOD of the gas before >>leaving with the gas. >> >>5) The tanks MUST be labeled with the contents and MOD if they contain >>other than air. >> >>If you feel that is to restrictive TUFF!!! My tanks meet this set of >>requirements. And if I mix gas for you at the dive shop YOURS WILL TOO!!! >>I guess by your tone I won't find you at the shops in N. C. if you think >>I'm unreasonable. > >Bingo! > >>We both know that the "O2 clean" stuff is BS but that to is TUFF!!! The >>first time you get a single grain of sand, dust dirt or anything in the >>valve it is no longer "Oxygen Compatible" by the truest definition. But= if >>you have the valve and tank cleaned once a year you meet the requirements >>of the insurance companies and the likes. BS??? Your DAMN RIGHT its= BS!!! >> But that is what is required. And frankly the amount of work required to >>do a cleaning is worth much more than the money the shop charges. > >Well now, here's a newsflash. Now sand reacts with oxygen. > >>Now Do you want to argue about a bunch of BS or do you want to dive?? Me >>I=EDm diving!! So I think I=EDll take my "Oxygen Clean" tanks, mix some= gas >>and dive! If you want to continue this I=EDll be at the dive shop > > >I'm diving too, just without giving your dive shop or any other like you any of my hard earned money. If you think these rules are BS yet still abide by them without any kicking or screaming, just where do your principles lay? > > Jim > > Bill (aquadart) Bott -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send list subscription requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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