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Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 16:40:19 -0400
From: George Irvine <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: George Irvine
To: Peter Fjelsten <fjelsten@my*.co*>
CC: Cavers List <cavers@ge*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Regulator configuration + regulators
Pete, all valves turn off clockwise , and on counterclockwise, so the
manifold will turn off on the left and on on the right if you rub
something. We take that as given, and necessary . Reverse threading
valves for different sides would be suicidal. We do not use Poseiden
regs ( odd hoses, upstream valves, etc), and all of our regs feed from
right to left. The two regs need to be on opposite posts. We breath the
long hose, so it comes around the neck to feed properly, and the other
one feeds that way off of the left post. The inflator is crossed behind
the head so you can hear any leaks, but some of the Scuba Pro guys run
straight down - I do not. The pressure guage goes on the left. The light
goes on the right. We drive the scooter with the right hand, and the
stages are on the left. All of this fits into the bigger picture, as you
will see. The long hose needs to feed freely off of the right post with
all seven feet useable, and without kinking it .

      Without telling you you are not supposed to hit things, as we all
know that, if you get near something, check you knobs: one to see if
they are still there, and two to see if they are open. Consider this: if
you have a gas-sharing emergency, the donor is in better shape to deal
with a non-working reg than the donee, and you can turn it on at that
time, if indeed it has escaped your attention up to that point.  

      We do use a lot of Scuba Pro MK20 regs, and that is due to the
piston design that tends not to fail catostrophicly, and of course due
to the easy breathing of the G250. Scuba Pro sponsors the WKPP, but we
all had this equipment already. 

   You must remember that a lot of things appear and sound great out of
the water , but in the water, clusterfuck prevention is key - you learn
to think that way the more seriously you play the game. We have been
there and done that , and trust me, you do not want to pass a dead reg -
it has to be a good pass and it has to be on the money immediately. When
it happens to you , you will be thanking me for telling you this. 

  
Peter Fjelsten wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I am pretty new to this list and I've been following the discussions
> with great interest - it's more fun than watching the tube!
> 
> However, I have a couple of questions:
> 
> 1) On a Holgarthian configuration site
> (http://www.infinet.com/~toddl/caverig/), I read it as your primary
> regulator (with the long hose) should be on the right side (i.e. coming
> over you right shoulder) of the manifold, but this doesn't seem logical
> to me. If you bump your manifold knobs against some obstacle, it will be
> opened more. This would be OK if your secondary reg. (which you quickly
> need in an emergency) would not turn more shut on impact which it does.
> I should think that it is better to be inconvinienced by a shut down
> primary than a shut down secondary which you would usually only need in
> an emergency. Am I completely wrong? Have I read the info on that page
> wrongly?
> 
> 2) The WKPP seem to favour Scubapro Mk10/20s with G250 second stages.
> Why? What other regulators are not no-nos (stroke gear) according to the
> WKPP?
> 
> Thank you for answering...
> 
> Regards
> 
> Peter,
> Denmark
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