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Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 07:09:13 -0400
From: George Irvine <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
To: JScarabin@ao*.co*
CC: TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*, cavers@ge*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com,
     freeattic@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*
Subject: Re: Wakulla 2
Brent, thanksd for researching and putting this out - I had forgotton
that these buffooons had PUBLICLY deomonstrated what they are about. I
guess the great and famous Bill thought it was safe to claim to be able
to do more han what Gavin and I did ( the "tripple" commment) , since
Stone had three solid months and the Park allowed Gavin and I two dives
only. That makes the point more than ever that we are the guys who
whould be doing all of this , UNINTERRUPTED. It is absolutely pathetic
that Gavin and I doubled the usdct distance in two dives, adding more
than half a mile to their line, and they did 129. 

  Why the State of Florida boots out the winner of the Environmentalist
of the Year Award, a ceremony where their own former Boss, and now
Clinton's Director of the U.S. E.P. A., Carol Browner, also received an
award for her work, so that they can let a dillataante diver and person
who is in the 	TOXIC WASTE DISPOSAL BUISNESS go diving for fun in
Wakulla with unnecessary toys that the weenie does not know how to use, 
indicates that something is seriously wrong. Mabybe I need to give
Carrol a phone call and alert her to this travesty occurring in her own
home state. 

  Brent, nobody can argue with what you have reproduced here, and nobody
can argue with the fact that you have been there, done this first on
open cirsuit and then on semi-closed, and that you hold the World Recrd
at 14,010 feet from air. Show me what dives ANYBODY on the usdct has
EVER done that are not a total joke.

  Everyone conveniently forgets the WKPP's ten years of results, and
conveniently believes the things that Bill Stone SAYS he WILL do and has
said for years, but never done. The following post says it all:

JScarabin@ao*.co* wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 97-05-01 15:53:55 EDT, TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne* (Tom
> Mount) writes:
> 
> << Jeff
>  The only place I have seen that is on post on the cavers list.
> ******************************************************************************
> ********************
>   Hey Tom, long time, glad to have you back. If you happen to have access to
>       Dec/Jan '95 copy of AquaKink (AquaCorp), you will see that you are
> mistaken. Pg. 64         ".... they mean to tripple the 6,000-foot
> penetration accomplished by the                   Woodville Karst Plain
> Project."   BTW, tripple is in italics in the article to add emphasis.(I have
> this page framed and hanging over my scooter rack)   So we're talking 18 G's.
> Now Tom, I ahvn't been around diving as long as you, but I smell Bullshit.
> Theoretically they may be able to go 18,000-feet, but as you and I both know
> it's a little different in a deep, dark water filled environment, as they
> well found out in '87.
> Question-  How many of their lead divers have been over 6-7 grand at any
> depth?
> Tom, I assure you, that you can not practice deep, long-range cave
> exploration at peacock or Jackson Blue. Do they even have lead divers? ( I
> hear they're still recruiting).  ( Rock & Roll Weenie)
> 
> Pg. 68  --  Bill Stone  "I havn't even bothered to think about going back
> untill all the pieces are in place. I mean, closed-circuit has really not
> been ready until now, with the MK5. And you can play what I term open-circuit
> heroics and EKE out another 15-20 percent .......... In my mind it's Russian
> roulette."
> 
> Let's see, their max pen. in '87 was in B-tunnel. What was it 4,176 ft.? Our
> last open circuit dive was to ... oh yea,  10,000 ft.  I guess maybe you
> could say we EKED out a little more than 15-20 percent, and only used back
> gas for inflating our wings. BTW Bill, the Hero quit cave diving.
> HA Ha ha, eke out another 15-20 percent. Get a Clue, smokedog.
> 
> I will not even delve into  " the hole, ... the 20-story shaft that King
> wants to bore into A-tunnel"
> 
> Hey maybe we can get King to lop off the top of Everest and move it to
> Florida. I've always wanted to climb it, it just always seemed to high and
> way to cold.
> 
> On Saturation diving, " Bill feels we could decompress at 180, bounce up to
> 120, enter the capsule, and get blown back down to 180," King says. "This is
> just preliminary stuff, but if we did three hours at 300, it would require
> less than two hours of decompression to reach 180 feet. That gives a total
> in-water time of five hours, which is no problem. Certainly it's not like
> running all the way up to the surface, which is 27 hours of decompression."
> 
> Tom, do you know anything about Sat. diving? Isn't this hillarious, and they
> wonder why George T's off on them. Thank you Jack.    Oh yeah, George, JJ  I
> guess we need to go back and do about 14 more hours of deco for our 3.5 hr.
> bottom time last weekend, according to King.
> 
> These guys are great. The rest of the article is about media attention, and
> efforts to attract corporate sponsors. I guess we know where they stand.
> ******************************************************************************
> ********************
> I suggest that you read the insert on WKPP,  In-your-I. George called it
> exactly,       "then we can do a six-stage and get to 9,000 ft., after that I
> want to go rebreather."  I'm telling you back then I thought G was just as
> full of shit as Stone/King, but you read the article, He called it perfect. Yo
> u know where I stand. You read the article, and judge for yourself who is
> right on the mark, trying to preserve and protect the resource, and who is
> full of shit, looking only for glory.
> 
> 
> ******************************************************************************
> ******************
> 
>  I doubt that anyone is going to overshadow the penetration efforts of
>  WKPP at this time let alone as the line gets extended more. In addition
>  to top diving, good equipment , and balls
> ******************************************************************************
> ********************
>           Wow, Tom that was a stretch.
> ******************************************************************************
> ********************
> 
>  I for one and I think others really would like to see the published
>  objectives and take out all the speculation.
> ******************************************************************************
> ********************
>            AquaCorps  Dec./Jan. 95, TOM
> ******************************************************************************
> *******************
> I myself welcome the challenge. Go long.  The end of your line only gives us
> a new jumping off point. Where ever the usdct ends their line is where the
> WKPP starts its new survey.
> 
> Mercedes and I plan on enjoying the fall afternoons while you guys are
> implementing your Buffoonery. This is my vacation. I plan on
> exercising,................  ,............................     I could tell
> you, and you still wouldn't understand, (Whatever)
> I'm bringing my Beach chairs and Suntan lotion. See Ya,  -JB-
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