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From: "Marc Dufour" <emdx@ac*.ne*>
Organization: 3615-CUL
To: Alex Varouxis <alexv@er*.co*>, techdiver@terra.net
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 20:06:15 -5
Subject: Re: Doing it Right (or I wanna be a hero)
CC: techdiver@terra.net
Le  2 Jan 97 @ 14:59, Alex Varouxis =E9criv=EEt sur "Re: Doing it Right 
(or I wanna be a":

> Mark
> 
> The amount of cable and the structure of a cave make this
> impossible. The tether would get tangled the ROV would kick up of
> silt. In this case a diver can do many times the amount of work than
> an ROV. The next problem would be the cost of the insurance for the
> ROV being used in a cave.
> 
> Regards Alex
> 
> 
> At 02:39 PM 1/2/97 -0500, Mark Welzel wrote:
> >George, if you guys are so interested in DOING IT RIGHT and
> >SAFETY can you tell me why you risk your lives when ROV's
> >could do a better safer job exploring those nasty caves. Hell, you
> >would probably be done by now and could get on to some other
> >worthwhile project with your "team".
> >
> >But, of course YOU wouldn't have the end of the line, your
> >robot's would. It would be the BEST way, though. And you are
> >a stickler for BEST, regardless of cost. Or are there areas
> >where even you will weigh cost vs. risk?
> >
> >You are not the be all, end all. But you do make interesting
> >reading.
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >George Irvine wrote:
> >> 
> >>  Mike, you are engaging in a battle of wits with an unamrmed
> >>  opponent - the
> >> "Boat Monkee". Like I told this guy the first time he ever posted
> >> on here, "Stick to what you know : making sandwiches and cleaning
> >> up puke". If you
> need
> >> any advice on that, talk to Weezel, otherwise you are only going
> >> to get more abject boat monkee stupidity, like what we see from
> >> the other dock
> wizzards and
> >> pontificating walking brain dead that populate the New England
> >> waterfront.
> >> 
> >>   As Tom Clancy pointed out in Red Storm Rising", " The Andria
> >>   Doria is just
> >> shallow enough for amateurs to try it", and we seee proof of this
> >> every
> time one
> >> of these bus drivers opens his mouth.
> >> 
> >>    If it were not for the fact that stupidity kills (and these
> >>    assholes
> have the
> >>  hash marks to prove it), I would ignore them, but in my opinion,
> >>  they are
> >> problem in this sport (wreck diving) and need to be sterilized by
> >> those of us who have a modicum  of common sense.
> >> 
> >> On Thu, 2 Jan 1997, <Tennantm@ao*.co*> wrote:
> >> >Mark wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>By the same token, you should then expect a hose
> >> >>that is 2 and a half times longer to fail 2 and
> >> >>a half times more often.
> >> >
> >> >Hey Joel, could you or one of the other downstate guys take Mark
> >> >to the clue bar?  He needs a few.
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >> >--
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> >> >
> >> >
> >> 
> >> George M. Irvine III
> >> DIR WKPP
> >> Woodville Karst Plain Project
> >> 1400 SE 11 ST Ft Lauderdale, FL 33316
> >> 954-493-6655 FAX 6698
> >> Email gmiiii@in*.co*
> >> 
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> >
> >
> Regards
> Alex Varouxis
> Associated Design
> Alexandria VA
> (V) 703-549-5999 (F) 703-548-0919
> 
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--------------- Pour la Republique Francaise du Quebec -------------------
           In the French version of "2001: A Space Odyssey", 
                the last word uttered by HAL is "GOD"...
~~ Derniere plongee/last dive: Canal Soulanges (glace/icy) 96.12.31, 5m ~~
 Marc Dufour - [\] ACUC6 31874 - TDI CD-0197 - http://www.accent.net/emdx 

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