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From: <gmiiii@in*.co*>
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:00:38 -0800
Subject: Re: Training
To: cgh@ma*.ai*.mi*.ed*, graeme_davison@ne*.co*, cavers@ge*.co*
Cc: techdiver@terra.net

 Carl, the necks may be goof balls, but they at least genuinely bust their ass 
to be safe (to the degree that they think they understand this)- I guarantee
you 
that the most aggregious hose-stuffing redneck would never violate the
standards 
- they have seen too many dead bodies and appreciacte the snowball effect of 
risk (they are just not able to quantify it and think it through). Only an 
arrogant asshole like frans, who is too far from cave diving reality to 
understand this would pull such a stunt.

  Mount needs to quit promoting strokes like this, and we need to get them out 
of the community. I will be taking this up personally with the legitimate 
training agencies - clearly IANTD is a joke in cave training, and this is only 
part of why. Mount is a strokaphile- the more blatent the strokery , the
quicker 
he and the BOD of IANTD, which is a who's who of strokes, do-nothings, 
pontificating oxygen cleaners, organ grinder monkeys, fat bearded slobs with 
pendulous guts,  bullshitters, never-been wanabees, chamber operators, and
other 
assorted untermenchens of various insect filums and inverterate intellects 
recieve this strokery with open arms and immediately embrace it .

 The best yet, after they ceritifed a dislexic transsexual, was when they 
certified a psychopatic transvestite from Ft Lauderdale who had a set of tits 
installed and taped its dick back (presumablly for less drag after learning 
buttmounting from Tom), and the thing started making cave lights, called 
"starlights". Tom and his band of fogged jerkoffs started recommending these 
lights, and one particular clear-headed person told me, when I complained, that 
"Sheila is such a nice girl".Not a girl, not nice, a fucked up pervert.

 (I am so sick of dumb asses in the cave community)

 Well here is the funny part - the sick fuck decided to go back to just being a 
fag, and untaped the dick, is supposedly having the ta tas removed, and needs
to 
have its portfolio of IANTD certifications changed from the girl's name and sex 
to whatever this bonesmuggling cock-sucker calls itself in real life.

 Why do you people accompdate this shit, and when are all of you going to wake 
the fuck up and start believing me when I tell youup front that somebody is a 
problem?   


On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Carl Heinzl <cgh@ma*.ai*.mi*.ed*> wrote:
>>3. He was proud of the fact that his Neutralight died on him once whilst
>>an a cave "training" course and he did the dive on a Q40 - this was
>>after he and his student had forgotten to pack their primary lights one
>>day (we spotted them after they had left in the morning) and they both
>>did the "training" dive on only two lights
>
>Isn't doing a dive with only two lights a violation of the standards?
>You should file a report with the training agencies involved.  Getting
>the red necks out of the water isn't as important as keeping them from
>passing on their poor techniques and methods to students.
>
>-Carl-
>
>

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