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   pyle, on the solenoid sticking open thing.how much pure O2 at 300' is it
ok to have pumped in the breathing loop before its a problem?even if its
only open for 30 seconds before you notice it and get it properly shut
down,is that too much pure o2? - jt


On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Richard Pyle wrote:

> 
> >   Rich, if yo are using any kind of mathematical factoring or doubling in
the 
> > readout from your sensor than these errors are magnified accordingly.
> 
> That's why you need a method to be able to verify, within the amount of 
> confidence you have in laws of physics and how you mixed your diluent, 
> that the sensors are giving you accurate readings. AND, you need the 
> discipline to do this verification several times an hour.
> 
> > We all 
> > know abou thte screens, and that is not the only problem. You know how long
it 
> > took you to get good at it, now figure what most of these strokes who
can;'t use 
> > scuba will take - a lifetime. - G
> 
> You are probably right.  That's why I continue to emphasize how much time 
> it takes to get good at these things (= stay alive on these things). I 
> also need to emphasize that the onus of training is NOT on the shoulders 
> of the agencies.  The best the agencies can do is show you how the thing 
> is built, and tell you what you need to know to stay alive.  To actually 
> stay alive requires a level of discipline that is *ENTIRELY* the 
> responsibility of the diver.
> 
> Now, George, you have to admit that there are a few folks out there who
> actually have a use for these things.  Will you please let us share our
> experiences with each other in peace, without having to listen to you howl
> everytime about how good you are at what you do, and how none of us peons
> could do shit in a cave?  Most of us peons don't care about caves.  I
> don't think you realize that everytime you crticize our legitimate use of
> these machines, it sounds *EXACTLY* the same way to us as it does to you
> when all the "weenies and strokes" criticize WKPP. You need to understand
> that we are the ones in the non-military, non-commercial world who have
> the analogy of the "end of the line" for rebreather diving. Yes, the
> military guys make us look like real weenies, but on the other hand, the
> military guys don't dive in the conditions we do, for the reasons we do. 
> People like Farb and McKenney and Hall and Cranston and maybe even me are
> inventing this shit as we go along. We have to - because either the
> military/Commercial guys won't tell us, or because they don't know the
> answers because they operate under entirely different circumstances and
> conditions with entirely different logistical support. 
> 
> In other words, stop being such a boob. 
> 
> Rich
> 
> 

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