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Chris On the $100/hr I doubt that was a true statement, especially as I do not think there is a real membership of the US deep diving team at this time. I know most of the people who may become associated with it, none are at this moment except for the founders and they are not in communication with anyone that I'm aware of. Many of the ones that are stated occassionally on the net such as Larry green are quite good friends of mine and are about as layback and mellow as anyone can be.Also exceptional cave divers and among the first to ever use gas iun a cave. I get amused at the things i read on the net as I know so many that poetential members of the team who have said absobulutely nothing publicly about folks. Some do not particip[ate on the net as any viewpoint that is different even if valid immediately brings about slams and other blast and name calling. I anticipate doing more diving with the WKPP but that will not change my opnion about slamming people and some of the degrading comments that arte put out. These are the reasons there is not more open discussion of diving practices etc on the net it simply is not worth the slams to most people. A good point is anyone who likes to buttmount a light gets hit hard. Yet I defy anyone provided lights of equal capability or used to show how a buttmounted light is unsafe. I use both waist mounted and buttmounted lights and consider the buttmount to be far superior, for this statement there will most likely be a week of slams but it does not change the facts it is more streamlined, more balanced and allows both sides of the backplate/pack to be able to eficiently carry stages. One arguement is you cannot tow with a buttlight, I find no difference with either light in that respect. I practice with both to be sure. By the way I was waist mounting cave lights years before anyone now or past who is involved with WKPP ever made there first cave dive.And I still prefer buttmount. I also like back pain free diving thus use a transpack. I have stayed off the subject lately as I get tired of the batteringtoo, but I just wanted to show you the results if someone else states a reasonable point of view. By the way this is just to show another viewpoint, I do not have the time to get into a six week war so it will only be addressed now Tom You wrote: > >In message <Pine.A32.3.93.960807150507.67467A-100000@fr*.af*.or*>, >John Todd <afn48281@af*.or*> writes >> i overhead some strokes saying shit about the wkpp today.they were >>badmouthing the wkpp but talking about how great the usdct is supposed to >>be.of course,we don't see any of the usdct members out here sharing any >>information to everyone.the usdct members only seem to know a couple of >>things: 1. how to roll a joint. 2. how to light a bong. 3. how to take >>advantage of a chinese buffet. 4. how to pontificate the most. >> when was the last time anyone got some worthwhile information out of the >>us deep caving team?now when was the last time any of you got good >>and usefule information from a wkpp diver?let's break out the scorecard: >> >>item usdct wkpp >>pontificating about what they cant do 1223112 0 >>lieing about what they hope to do 571261 0 >>making promises they cant keep 412176 0 >>teaching people dangerous practices numeris 0 >>violating rule 1 when diving solo numeris 0 >>giving out useful information 0 numeris >>hiding cave from everyone numeris 0 >>saying "leave this for the pros" numeris 0 >> >> there it is,plain as daylight.i think everyone can see for themselves who >>really are the winners. - john todd > >Guys > There was a story floating around some time ago that went along >the lines of somebody asking a question to a member of the USDCT which >recieved a 'give me your Visa card number - my time chrges out at $100 >per hour'. > >Wether this is true or not I would suggest:- > >Given that some people do not take kindly to Georges matter_of_fact >responses I guess we all owe WKPP a heap of money for the valuable info >given - that is of course if they charged for it - which they don't. > >Chris > > > >*********************************************************************** ********* >Chris Hellas > >e-mail:- chris@de*.de*.co*.uk* >*********************************************************************** ********* >
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